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Gender neutral lavatories.

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Sago Fri 25-Feb-22 09:24:56

There has been an article recently about a London theatre that now has 1 lavatory for all.
This means women filing past men at urinals, it has not gone down well!

It occurred to me yesterday when stopped at a motorway services that provision has never been made for men with little girls.
I saw a man with his daughter of 3/4 ish having to take her into the gents.
We have made so much provision for transgender people yet this has been an issue that I’m sure has caused difficulties for a greater number of the population.

How can public buildings ever make provision to suit everybody?

I recently read about people identifying as feline…..imagine human size cat litter trays?

Mollygo Tue 01-Mar-22 09:21:54

If all loos were cubicles with washbasins or even with just a sink area, i.e. no urinals outside cubicles and everyone had to queue in one line to get a cubicle, I suspect it wouldn’t be the women who would complain loudest.
Imagine being a man having to wait whilst several mums and young children fill up the cubicles and take the necessary time to deal with their needs. You’d only know when a urinal cubicle was free if a man came out.
The security issues like remoteness, and the ill- intentioned do bother me, but I know they don’t bother others.

VioletSky Tue 01-Mar-22 21:34:10

It would enable men to take their children into any toilet so I doubt they would mind

bookwormbabe Thu 03-Mar-22 13:43:56

This isn't going to help a sector already decimated by covid.

silverlining48 Thu 03-Mar-22 14:05:03

We have visited France many times over the years and the system there generally seems to be that to get to the ladies you have to walk through the part where men in full view, use the urinals. I am not a fan.

halfpint1 Thu 03-Mar-22 14:10:21

During my time of taking children to the toilet I honestly cannot think of any occasion that my ex did the taking. I realise there may be more single father's now but really this can only be yet another minority group invading on women's whatever you may call it as regards to public toilets.
I don't want to use a unisex toilet

SusieB50 Thu 03-Mar-22 14:14:01

Our local swimming pool has moved to mixed sex changing rooms and family cubicles , and individual toilet cubicles for all . All fine with me as the space is now larger and very family friendly .

Yammy Thu 03-Mar-22 14:39:38

This, unfortunately, has made me remember two very funny incidents when I was about 10/11 but is about mixed toilets.
I was visiting Bruge in Belgium with my parents and needed the loo, my dad had already been and warned my mum that they were mixed.
I was given the eyes straight ahead.... instruction and my mother pushed me in the back as she did so she slipped into some men who were using the urinals. My banana skin humour made me laugh so much I had to dive into a cubicle. When I came out and went back to our table my dad was cleaning her up with "Quickies", tiny wet wipes in a blue box.
On another holiday in Munich, the toilets were mixed and you had to pay an attendant for entry one woman in our party kept saying no so the attendant waited until she was in and then locked the door from the outside. Her husband who luckily was also in had to pay the extra to get her released.'
Yet again I got a lecture and a slap about laughing at inappropriate things and I',m laughing as I type this.
Being serious though when I taught loos were really difficult when you did school visits if you did not have men teachers with you. You had to count the little boys in and out, all the time hovering around the entrance to the men's loos.

62Granny Thu 03-Mar-22 14:47:45

Stupid bit of planning that the urinals are put in first and you have to walk past them to get to the cubicles, if they are last , with sinks first then cubicles the a screen for urinals no need for any embarrassment. But I agree with others single use cubicles with sinks are much better idea.

silverlining48 Thu 03-Mar-22 15:19:15

Talking of foreign toilet arrangements we have come across some real horrors over the years, ergo the holes in the ground. Ghastly,, messy , smelly and disgusting.
An example is one not far from Calais on a main road there is one, not sure if it’s still there, all stainless steel, and modern ...til you get inside only to find a stainless steel hole framed artfully by all the poo and wee which missed the target. Really horrible especially if one is wearing trousers.
Thank goodness these have in the main disappeared.

varian Thu 03-Mar-22 15:23:32

I've always thought the arrangement we usually have with basins in a row outside of cubicles is unhygenic. You should be able to wash your hands before touching a doorhandle.

Mollygo Thu 03-Mar-22 17:38:02

62Granny

Stupid bit of planning that the urinals are put in first and you have to walk past them to get to the cubicles, if they are last , with sinks first then cubicles the a screen for urinals no need for any embarrassment. But I agree with others single use cubicles with sinks are much better idea.

Sensible idea 62Granny. Put the urinals behind a screen at the end, not at the entrance, with wash basins there too. Have cubicles with basins for women and those who need them.
Really I’d rather not share sit down toilets with men who only need a urinal.
Joke signs like Stand closer, it’s shorter than you think! are only too necessary in many cases. Womens toilets are sometimes left in a disgusting state. Adding men would just add to the problem.???

GagaJo Thu 03-Mar-22 18:57:22

FarNorth

GagaJo

I'm a woman, as were my friends in those situations. We didn't mind. I appreciate some did. TBH, I would have been more worried about the length of the queue, than who was in it.

What is your point?

You and some other women didn't mind sharing loos with men.
That doesn't negate Galaxy's statement that lots of women hated it.

I've never heard of any women saying they hate single-sex loos.

I said that in my comment FN, 'I appreciate some did (hate it)'.

But statements about women hating sharing loos are presented as monoliths and they're not. Some do and some don't. That is my point. Not all women hate sharing loos.