Botox and fillers

Yes it's DDs life and her choice. My choice how I feel about it.

Has anyone else been watching the documentaries about the Hilton Hotel in Park Lane on a Sunday evening?

One lady who works there, in a high powered job, think her name is Georgina, has obviously had lots of work done on her lips and cheeks etc. in the past. The results are awful. She has the trout pout, and when she speaks, seems unable to open her mouth properly. It all looks so unnatural, and to be honest, quite scary. She has a very public facing role, probably hoping to still look youthful.

No idea why they have it done though, it all looks ghastly.

Talk about growing old gracefully.

Thank God no one in my family has felt the need I have five beautiful grandaughters in the 18-28 age group and all have their own beauty although one does use loads of eye lashes make up and stuff that takes about an hour to do but the others all seem to use much less (and she is very beautiful without and that’s not just a granny opinion)
None of my daughters or daughters in law have used anything
although daughter in law had an expensive ‘see through’ brace
I pray none of the grand daughters do as I think most people look incredibly awful and god knows what’s going into their bodies
I really feel for you Avaline I d be just the same

I don't understand why you would argue with your daughter as you didn't even know she had been having it done until she told you. Much like most people didn't know Kate. Middleton used these procedures .Also it is difficult to gage why you think you have a say in her life choices. It sounds like you're talking about a teenager that's had a tattoo . How old is she and does she live at home or is she living her own life in her own home .I don't think l would see either of my daughters for dust if l thought it was my right to criticize them in such a way. To say you are only human and feel diffi about her ..l expect she feels differently about you too. Sorry if that sounds harsh but l feel she will not want to share other things with you in the future if you are going to be so judgmental. I am making the assumption
that she is not a teenager in which case it would be different.

How did that get out about Catherine?

I think problems can arise if the Botox used has been imported illegally and is not of medical grade quality. Also a lack of training to administer the injections into the correct site. Cosmetic botox is illegal for under eighteens, and hopefully more regulation is coming.
I couldn’t bear the thought of injections in my face so wouldn’t go down that route for cosmetic reasons.
Two friends have regular Botox. One in her eye to stop double vision. The other to keep her remaining organs in place after extensive cancer surgery.

I would be very worried about the long term effects. As someone who uses Botox and fillers ages presumably they need more and more. That surely can’t end well. I understand exactly where Aveline is coming from. There’s a big difference between a middle aged or older woman wanting a little ‘refresh’ as I think they say, and a young woman starting on this (to my mind) slippery slope.

Jillikins3 I didn't argue with her. My shock must have been very obvious. DH was there too and is equally unhappy.
I doubt she will tell us much in future but, if this is the sort of thing to find out, I most likely just don't want to know.

Aveline

*dragonfly46*. You can wash make up off.

That's true. I must admit I felt the same when my son had a tattoo. I think he regrets it now.
I don't think a little Botox hurts although I would be wary of fillers.

I would have reacted like you Avaline it’s human to not want your children, who you love to be unhappy with themselves, or evening harming themselves
I don’t really agree with you GSM that it’s fine for older people to have a ‘little refresh’ let’s all be content with how we look The most beautiful woman I ever knew was full of wrinkles and full of life and full of experiences, awful that the Carol Vordemons and Sharon Osborne’s of the world are so influential in the ‘I’m only worth anything if I look 16’

I know there are some serious concerns about people who aren't licensed health care professionals being allowed to take a half-day course and then inject fillers and things. This is worrisome because you have to be extremely careful with many procedures involving the face - and not just because of the cosmetic effects. The skin on the face is very thin and you have to be careful about blood vessels and things.

I'm a nurse and I refuse to do cosmetic nursing, even though I know there's potentially a fair amount of money to be made. I don't use Botox or fillers but I have considered medicinal Botox to treat tension headaches - though I'm going to look at some less invasive options (massage and having my eyes checked to ensure I don't need new glasses or something) first.

Bluebelle.. I doubt she had botox and fillers because she is unhappy with herself. It is a widely practised cosmetic procedure that if done by a reputable operative is barely noticeable.
As Aveline said that she didn't even know that her daughter had been having it done. If you saw a before and after foto then you would be able to see the difference.
It wouldn't look dramatic like Sharon Osborne or any of the younger set of celebs with giant lips etc. My two daughters and myself have been having this done for many years.
I think unless you have personal experience it can seem like it is a dramatic procedure because of the awful faces full of botox that we see in the media. A reputable clinic and operative would not fill your face in such a way. Celebrities must ask for the amount that is used hence tarring anyone else who uses fillers etc with the same brush. Thousands and thousands of people use fillers and botox who don't look like monsters. Most look very nice.
So many people in the media and all around us use botox and fillers and you would never know.
The vast majority of my daughters friends use these cosmetic procedures and enhancements. It really is extremely common.
I am sure that you Bluebelle have a close relationship with all your family but often grandma's and mothers are not told for the very reason we see the disapproving posts on here regarding botox and fillers.
As you get older you don't have to use more and more and most sane people don't. A reputable professional operative will give gentle top ups a couple of times a year. If you suddenly stopped your skin would just go back to normal there would be no lasting effects. These are all tempory fillers that are used now not like the permanent ones that have disfigured faces as in the past.
But it is all a personal choice and l respect everyone's view.

I think we should just be encouraging our daughters and granddaughters to value themselves for who they are, not what they look like.

RunaroundSue

I watched a recent film starring Sandra Bullock. She was normally a beautiful lady but now she has had lip fillers and other treatments and she looks like a fish around her mouth.

I am 81 years old and from being 16 years of age I have used moisturising creams because my mum started to buy from an Avon lady in the late 1950's. I do not have any wrinkles at all and our sons say that I look 20 years younger and I have been taken for my eldest sons wife (he is 54 years old) and he wasn't very happy about it. My neck and chest looks like a 30 year olds, no turkey neck, just smooth skin.

Let’s have a picture to see if we all agree with you RunaroundSue??

I agree MissI.

So do I MissI

I find it sad really how superficial society has become, and how the “accepted” look for women, and increasingly for men, dictated by celebs and social media is increasingly important.

All the beauty “enhancements in the world will not increase a healthy lifespan……..

Yes. It must make a big contribution to the bullying and mental health issues we hear so much about amongst young people.

Aveline

I'm not arguing I'm just very disappointed and feel differently about her. I'm human.

I find this very sad Aveline.. she is exactly the same as she was before she shared this information with you..

Jillykins If it’s so unnoticeable what’s the point in wasting all your money on it 🤣
You obviously live in very different circles to me I don’t know anyone or their daughters or sons who have Botox or anything else We have often discussed this amongst my group of friends
I think it’s very important to build the confidence and the love of yourself in young people not to have to have goodness knows what injected into your face
I m sorry to disappoint you but I do know my family and my daughters and grandaughters (and grandsons) and would certainly know if they were having these treatments (they d probably be asking to borrow money for it 🤣)

Totally agree GSM it will add to all the bullying low self esteem and mental health of young people who don’t want it or more likely cant afford it

Pascal30 I know! It's very sad.

Aveline you did say in your original post "needless to say we argued" What I can't understand is why you feel differently about her, it comes across as judgemental.
It seems to me you have a confident daughter who is capable of making her own decisions. I would not have botox or enhancements but I know plenty who do, it's up to them.

I am indeed judgemental. I judge that it's a daft thing to do and I'm disappointed in her for doing this. I wish she hadn't done this and I wish that I didn't feel like this but she did, and I do.

A close friend in her 70's has great skin, few wrinkles and looks young for her age. She's always been careful with her weight and comes to my pilates classes. I told her that I thought she looked great, she laughed and said she'd been lucky with her genes but a few "tweakments" had helped. tbh it had never crossed my mind that she might have had a bit of "work" but apparently she has the odd bit of botox every 6-9 months and small amounts of temporary fillers in strategic places every 12-15 months. She's a confident happy person, certainly not lacking self esteem. Her clinician says her aim is to make her look a "fresher" version of herself not a different version. If I'd known what was possible I'd have been tempted!

MissInterpreted

I think we should just be encouraging our daughters and granddaughters to value themselves for who they are, not what they look like.

I'm another who agrees. Our adult children can make up their own minds about botox, but young teens need to develop confidence in themselves and really believe that they don't need these treatments, at least not until they are very much older.

It's also good to explain to youngsters how amazing the human body is, how well it functions, but that it can go badly wrong when we mess with it. Point out how close the face is to the brain, and warn them about the 'triangle of death'! This is the area from the top of the nose to both corners of the mouth and across the top lip. The blood supply in that area is very closely connected to the brain. You can teach them that squeezing spots and also botox in that area may not be a good idea. And yes, this is a real thing! I didn't make it up.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_triangle_of_the_face