Which style of monarchy do you prefer?

I don’t understand why we are so fond of the monarchy and the landed gentry. Look at the history of how they became landed. Land used to be held in common. The Norman Conquest saw it divided out amongst the Norman lords. Then more of the common land was taken under the Enclosure Acts. People were driven off their land where they had been able to grow enough to feed their family and a few beasts.
The King and Prince of Wales own large tracts of land across the uk including the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall. Why are we ok with this outright theft? We don’t need them. Their jobs are unnecessary and we pay them outrageous amounts for shaking hands and conferring knighthoods. Then we go out and and cheer.Why?

What’s a landed gentry ?

Those aristocrats with inherited estates such as Earls and Dukes.

Skydancer

We would probably not vote to have a monarchy if it did not exist. But we DO have one and it seems popular. I like the King as he is a kind man and cares about the environment. But I think Camilla should be Queen consort. I can’t think of her as Queen. Having said that, I don’t think we will have a monarchy for much longer but can’t quite imagine how it would come to an end.

Agree with you about probably not having a monarchy. I can't forget the history, we were invaded and the invader land grabbed from the people. Charlie is probably very nice, not remote like his mother, but the money they have is the result of the 1066 invader taking vast amounts of land from the people who were trying to survive by growing crops. It is the 'hangers on' that want their life style preserved. I don't know any members of the rf and assume they are very pleasant (except the Ginger one and his keeper) but their vast wealth and entitlement does not fit with 2024. Time it was phased out.

William will be a reluctant King, will do his duty though. imo

The monarch does not rule but is Head of State. I miss The Queen but agree about Charles

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What’s a landed gentry ?
Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote Huia Mon 24-Jun-24 04:26:24
Those aristocrats with inherited estates such as Earls and Dukes.

I thought it was a swan or an aeroplane

It also includes lots of people with no titles at all but have owned land and lived in the same place for many generations.

We have several around where I live. owned land and a house for 500 years plus, but is just a plain Mr (and Mrs)

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Agree Huia.
Went for a little trip recently. Discovered this sign on a beach in Antrim. Did some googling and found this.
The borough has the highest rates in N Ireland. hmm.

I thought the poster was having a joke when speaking of ‘so fond of the monarchy and landed gentry ‘ , sorry

^ is the result of the 1066 invader taking vast amounts of land from the people who were trying to survive by growing crops.^

Er, no. Before 1066 the land was held by the Saxon aristocracy. The King and Thanes and Ealdormen who served the King and were rewarded with manors.

The ownership of the land merely passed from the Saxon elite to the Norman elite. Nothing changed, or not very much.

They failed to take Wales, but did kill Llewellyn the Great

I am another who when I think ‘queen’ it’s Elizabeth 11. We had 70 years of ER, most of my life, so it will take time I suppose.

We were in wales recently and surprised we couldn’t use our bus passes there, yet Welsh people can use theirs in England.
Apparently.

Edward 1st invaded and took Wales in 1277/83. He was a Plantagenant King not a Norman. The first English Prince of Wales was the future Edward 11nd born at Caernarfon Castle in 1284.

M0nica

^ is the result of the 1066 invader taking vast amounts of land from the people who were trying to survive by growing crops.^

Er, no. Before 1066 the land was held by the Saxon aristocracy. The King and Thanes and Ealdormen who served the King and were rewarded with manors.

The ownership of the land merely passed from the Saxon elite to the Norman elite. Nothing changed, or not very much.

Ok Monica but same holds. The land should not be held by such a small group in perpetuity while others struggle to survive. Diana took her boys to visit the homeless while her family lived in massive estates. Don’t suppose her education got that far.

During the last two wars all the “No Trespassers” and “Trespassers will be shot” signs were taken down! Mmm!

silverlining48

We were in wales recently and surprised we couldn’t use our bus passes there, yet Welsh people can use theirs in England.
Apparently.

No, we can't.

We can go across the border and back to a shopping centre but not change buses and go onward.
Thry will let us go home again!

silverlining48

We were in wales recently and surprised we couldn’t use our bus passes there, yet Welsh people can use theirs in England.
Apparently.

Not sure what this has to do with the thread 🤔

nadateturbe

Agree Huia.
Went for a little trip recently. Discovered this sign on a beach in Antrim. Did some googling and found this.
The borough has the highest rates in N Ireland. hmm.

So everyone thinks this is OK. Its not. Fact.

Here is more interesting stuff if you are interested.
youtube.com/watch?v=agy9BBIB_nc&si=qiLhpiP9Hd_UCat7

Sorry badly worded! It is “ How The Royal Family Shut Down Investigations”

Interesting discussion to compare Queen Elizabeth to King Charles. Its alright to have preferences but as many have said already, they are different people in different times. Queen Elizabeth grew into her role and did the best she could, with alot of support and guidance from elder members of her family. I'm not sure King Charles has the same benefits, despite support from Camilla, who I think is a wonderful wife to him.

Interesting indeed Huia not really a surprise. But disturbing.

Probably nothing at all Callistemon.