So who will accept the poisoned chalice?

With Tory voters deserting to Reform in droves where do they go, are Conservatives going to form the centre right, or are they going to move to hard right and win those voters back.

My bet is hard right.

what we need is competence, strength, respect, honesty a sense of duty and service

Hear, hear.

And, I think/hope, now here, here.

maddyone

Smileless2012

I agree that would be the wise thing to do Siope but it's highly unlikely.

KS is being compared to Tony Blair!!! He doesn't have anything like the charisma.

Keir Starmer has the charisma of a wet lettuce. Mind you, Sunak was much the same.

I don’t think charisma is what we need. That has been the problem, this “presidential” approach to choosing a leader.
Blair had charisma, Macron has charisma, Trudeau has charisma, Boris (love or loathe) had charisma-
what we need is competence, strength, respect, honesty a sense of duty and service

Smileless2012

That's a good point Galaxy.

I disagree MayBee charisma is important when dealing with other world leaders.

And which other world leaders have charisma in your opinion? Or is it just our leader that needs it?

Aveline, I agree with you, too.

Smileless2012

I agree that would be the wise thing to do Siope but it's highly unlikely.

KS is being compared to Tony Blair!!! He doesn't have anything like the charisma.

Keir Starmer has the charisma of a wet lettuce. Mind you, Sunak was much the same.

Aveline

If only Penny Mordaunt hadn't lost her seat she'd have been an acceptable leader for the Tories. Oh well.

Aveline I so agree. She wasn’t my MP, but was the MP for the constituency where I used to work. She’s a strong and responsible woman. I knew the person who has replaced her and I’m not impressed. She was all talk and no action when she worked as the NUT representative in the area where I worked, and was useless when there was a problem in my school.

Mollygo

Crossstitchfan
They are all full of promises they don’t keep. I fear for this country that it seems impossible to find anyone who can actually lead. It’s frightening!

I’ve just heard in the news that KS is being likened to Tony Blair. That didn’t end well!

I don't see KS as being like to Tony Blair, he was charismatic, charming and clever. KS is a very different kettle of fish.

That's a good point Galaxy.

I disagree MayBee charisma is important when dealing with other world leaders.

He doesnt have Blairs goodwill either which might be a problem. People are cautious in their hope I think.

Smileless2012

I agree that would be the wise thing to do Siope but it's highly unlikely.

KS is being compared to Tony Blair!!! He doesn't have anything like the charisma.

Charisma isn’t exactly what this country needs at this moment in time. Imo

I agree Aveline.

I agree that would be the wise thing to do Siope but it's highly unlikely.

KS is being compared to Tony Blair!!! He doesn't have anything like the charisma.

Fancythat Sunak isn't the Conservative party and he had to contend with a party in disarray for the whole time he was PM. I'm not a fan of Sunak and he may have been the best of a bad lot at the time. The Tories were too busy fighting amongst themselves to actually govern.

A woman would be good.
A bit of personality, but sensible, if that's possible.

He was a decent and serious young man. We were all glad of him during lockdown. I don't like to see him denigrated. There are far worse than him.

I agree that Sunak was handed a poisoned chalice

He wasn't handed anything. He fought tooth and nail - twice - to get the leadership/become PM, presumably because he thought he’d be good at it, which shows a remarkable lack of self-awareness.

If only Penny Mordaunt hadn't lost her seat she'd have been an acceptable leader for the Tories. Oh well.

Whitewavemark2

There will be massive recriminations, arguments and jostling so they won’t be much up to opposition for a while.

It’s been like that for the past 5 years.

Listening to Ch 4 early this morning someone said that the rump of Tory MPs left are to the left. We shall have to wait and see.

Mollygo

Crossstitchfan
They are all full of promises they don’t keep. I fear for this country that it seems impossible to find anyone who can actually lead. It’s frightening!

I’ve just heard in the news that KS is being likened to Tony Blair. That didn’t end well!

I absolutely agree with you.

The problem is that policies drawn up in constituencies and discussed in meeting rooms are fine, until they have to be implemented in the real world.

You start to implement your policies and wham, there is a world pandemic. Over that? Watch out, here comes a major war that you cannot avoid. Then, no matter how virtuous your fiscal management is, the USA, or Europe, or somewhere causes a financial crisis.

The next stage is Realpolitik.

AGAA4

The Tories have been doomed for a while. I agree that Sunak was handed a poisoned chalice. Nothing he could do to stop the downward spiral.

I feel he did next to nothing at all.
I do think he had enough time.

Whitewavemark2

There will be massive recriminations, arguments and jostling so they won’t be much up to opposition for a while.

They need to decide which direction they should go in, first.

I am hoping they go right.

If they dont, Reform may just take over from them.

Is there room in UK politics, for Labour, conservative[a bit left], Lib Dems, and Reform?

The Tories have been doomed for a while. I agree that Sunak was handed a poisoned chalice. Nothing he could do to stop the downward spiral.

Crossstitchfan
They are all full of promises they don’t keep. I fear for this country that it seems impossible to find anyone who can actually lead. It’s frightening!

I’ve just heard in the news that KS is being likened to Tony Blair. That didn’t end well!