Conspiracy Theory anyone?

Jaxjacky

Very good Churchview ✅
I read that article in France24 too MOnica sounds about right.
I know someone wh believes in many of these theories and won’t leave the house of there are con trails from planes in the sky. She believes they are dropping chemicals to brainwash people and sent by the government, she’s never had, as an adult, any vaccinations (they put chips under your skin) and spends her life in a state of high anxiety., it’s very sad.

It’s very sad to live your life in fear like this and even worse it makes them very vulnerable to those perpetuating what in some cases is sheer baloney.

escaped

Do you mean there's reference to Macron's Jewish heritage in France24? I can't see it?

No you are right and I am wrong. I think what I read confused macron, with Attal, or possibly Sarkozy.

However, this error on my part, does not undermine the broader theory that these ridiculous rumours about leaders wives, are being used as a way to undermine the leader himself.

While Brigitte Macron has been the person to suffer most, with a book written and a libel case in the courts, the same accusation has been made about Michelle Obama.

It is just as bad for women in leadership. Look at the appalling and vile accusations made against Hilary Clinton and the supposed paedophile network operating in Washington. This accusation has put her life at risk and led to shooting attacks on the pizza restaurant supposedly at the centre of this network.

Jacinda Arden ex-Prime Minister of new Zealand has been attacked the same way as Brigitte Macron and Michelle. Obama.

It is all mysogyny of the vilest kind.

I am not going to comment on the OP's exemples. But sometimes, what appears to be a consiracy theroy at the start, turns out to be based on history, facts combined with added information.

Many never believed that Netanyahu's plan was to rid Palestine totally of Palestinians, by killing so many then expulsing the rest without a right to return. Then pal up with the likes of Trump to turn it into more settlements, luxury beach resorts and pull a new Canal through to avoid Suez (next stage I am sure)- but it is all turning out to be true, just as many said at the time.

It is all mysogyny of the vilest kind

It is quite shocking and supposedly light-hearted threads like this just perpetuate these myths.

It's like the worst of newspaper headlines.

If anyone has read it, what are your views?
IMy view is that it's baseless, unkind, cruel and straight out of the Andrew Tait playbook.

Quite agree Allira.

I don't see any conspiracy theory in the O/P Macron, just a prurient interest combined with a political narrative of sorts.

Applegran

I have not read the whole thread, but as I understood it, the OP was interested in other people's thoughts about conspiracy theories, which is quite interesting, though I won't actually spend much time reflecting on it. But I hope the OP has felt ok as she read some of the responses. In my mind it was an OK question to ask, and if it does not interest others, then that too is OK.

That is a great post Applegran Thank you.

Retroladywriting

Dearknees1

The weight of evidence leads me and many othersto believe that JFK’s murder was orchestrated by the CIA. Does that make me a conspiracy theorist in the same category as those who believe we have been invaded by lizard like aliens? I think not.

That was the point I was making about Covid and Wuhan. Thinking that one event has been covered up does not make anyone a Conspiracy Theorist in the same league as, for example, David Icke and his Lizard people.

Thinking one event has been covered up does not make one a conspiracy theorist in the same league as say David Icke

You're right, there is a difference, especially nowadays when to just comment on or voice a CT leaves one open to pejorative, negative, ridicule.

But don't you think there was a time when people would have been agast at the thought of their government murdering a serving President, especially one so popular?

It would have been unthinkable I believe, to most.

I don't know when, but at some point the world divided into those who accepted the narrative, and those who didn't were labelled conspiracy theorists.

I was curious to understand what mechanism converted a conspiracy to a main stream accepted event.

Most seem to think the emergence of information they believe is the tipping point.

Which begs the question by what method do any of us make an assessment of fact or fiction, before
There is real evidence?

Is it childhood experiences, is it education, or do sone of use have literally more synapses firing at a greater speed to help us differentiate ideas that go some where from those that do not.

Someone said there are no bad ideas.

We none of us are in receipt of all the facts all of the time.

So why do some feel it necessary to attack those with unusual ideas?

Presumably because they feel threatened?

How does an idea illicit a fight or flight response?

BTW Retroladywriting and Dearknees1 I'm not expecting you to come up with any stunning revelations, or even reply, just musing 😃

Claremont

I am not going to comment on the OP's exemples. But sometimes, what appears to be a consiracy theroy at the start, turns out to be based on history, facts combined with added information.

Many never believed that Netanyahu's plan was to rid Palestine totally of Palestinians, by killing so many then expulsing the rest without a right to return. Then pal up with the likes of Trump to turn it into more settlements, luxury beach resorts and pull a new Canal through to avoid Suez (next stage I am sure)- but it is all turning out to be true, just as many said at the time.

Sometimes what appears to be a CT at the start ....

It is at this point I find it all so interesting.

Yeah so much better to believe some idiot on YouTube than a scientist ( re Climate Change)

Do you think all scientists are equal then?

The danger of conspiracy theories.

Mollygo

The danger of conspiracy theories.

😂😂😂
Next July we collide with Mars 🎵🎵🎶🎵

There's a few I believe but others are ridiculous
1 Princess Diana's car crash was deliberately done. Probably because she was with a Muslim or to make way for Charles to marry Camilla She left a letter saying Charles would kill her in a car crash with her butler. Police interviewed Charles about this. She wasn't psychic.
2 The twin towers only collapsed like they did because there was something important hidden in them so they were detonated remotely after being targeted by the planes and under attack. So no-one would discover it.
3 Covid did come from an accident in the wuhan lab where the virus was being studied. Not deliberate but an accident
4 We have been visited by aliens many centuries ago. They designed the pyramids
That's it.

All true,,,I can see it all from my spaceship

sazz1

There's a few I believe but others are ridiculous
1 Princess Diana's car crash was deliberately done. Probably because she was with a Muslim or to make way for Charles to marry Camilla She left a letter saying Charles would kill her in a car crash with her butler. Police interviewed Charles about this. She wasn't psychic.
2 The twin towers only collapsed like they did because there was something important hidden in them so they were detonated remotely after being targeted by the planes and under attack. So no-one would discover it.
3 Covid did come from an accident in the wuhan lab where the virus was being studied. Not deliberate but an accident
4 We have been visited by aliens many centuries ago. They designed the pyramids
That's it.

Your timing is spot on with regards to the Pyramids - scientists have resently found they go down to a depth of several hundred metres with tunnels linking them all together.

More pertinent, why do you believe what you do? Do your friends or family agree?

The Covid Wuhan one was considered a CT early on wasn't it? Now a tipping point seems to have been reached whereby people accept it as a fact.
But I remember a particular GNetter thread on the subject being shut down and her being called names for even suggesting it.

Mollygo

The danger of conspiracy theories.

Is that a meme? It isn't moving so just a funny photo I suppose.😀

The trouble is the same could be said of not investigating a theory don't you think?

Yes the Covid lab thing was seen as a conspiracy, as was the idea that information on Hunter Biden was suppressed.

Why do I believe what I do
1 Diana left a letter saying she would die in a car crash Fact
2 The way the twin towers collapsed was not the way many structural engineers thought logical.
3 Covid was being investigated in that lab but the Chinese blamed the market. Some of the workers spoke out and fled
4 If you look at many things in the bible it points to a very advanced civilization eg
The writing on the wall
Making the blind to see
Making the lame to walk
We now have projectors, cataract operations, and talented orthopaedic surgeons
Also walking on water we now have jet skis, water skis etc
He rose into the heavens - space travel anyone?
That's my logic

Princess Diana's car crash was deliberately done. Probably because she was with a Muslim or to make way for Charles to marry Camilla She left a letter saying Charles would kill her in a car crash with her butler. Police interviewed Charles about this. She wasn't psychic.

So why did she not wear a seat belt, then?

I've no idea if my friends and family agree as I don't push my ideas on anyone. If I'm asked what I think then I'll discuss it
All my family do think Diana was killed we discussed it at the time she died

Allira

^Princess Diana's car crash was deliberately done. Probably because she was with a Muslim or to make way for Charles to marry Camilla She left a letter saying Charles would kill her in a car crash with her butler. Police interviewed Charles about this. She wasn't psychic.^

So why did she not wear a seat belt, then?

Because if fate decrees you’re going to die in a car crash, you may as well do all you can to make sure it happens?

Mollygo

Allira

Princess Diana's car crash was deliberately done. Probably because she was with a Muslim or to make way for Charles to marry Camilla She left a letter saying Charles would kill her in a car crash with her butler. Police interviewed Charles about this. She wasn't psychic.

So why did she not wear a seat belt, then?

Because if fate decrees you’re going to die in a car crash, you may as well do all you can to make sure it happens?

They were divorced anyway so it made no difference.
Who spread the story about the letter - Burrell?
🤔

Yes Burrell.
Don't think anyone has seen it ?? And it said she would have her car brakes tampered with (or similar) - not that she'd get in a car with an off-duty driver who had been drinking and taking drugs - (legal meds or not).

I'm not sure if this came from Burrell or not but she also claimed that Camilla was being used as "a decoy" by Charles, who really wanted to marry the nanny Tiggy Legge-Bourke.

I honestly don't think she was well.

NotSpaghetti

Yes Burrell.
Don't think anyone has seen it ?? And it said she would have her car brakes tampered with (or similar) - not that she'd get in a car with an off-duty driver who had been drinking and taking drugs - (legal meds or not).

I'm not sure if this came from Burrell or not but she also claimed that Camilla was being used as "a decoy" by Charles, who really wanted to marry the nanny Tiggy Legge-Bourke.

I honestly don't think she was well.

Wasn't there something about her thinking Tiggy Legge Bourke had an abortion while she was having an affair with Charles. I can't remember the details now but it came out it wasn't true.

I assumed she didn't like that William and Harry seemed to get on well with her.

I honestly don't think she was well.
No, me neither.

Yes, she seemed to be quite paranoid about Tiggy as well as Camilla yet was having affairs with married men herself.