An interesting slant on the wearing of a burqa.

You are not the only poster who has Muslim friends- or in fact family, Wyllow.

I have a hairdresser already, thank you. She is Welsh and I have no idea of her religion.

My older grandson’s wife was brought up as a Muslim. She no longer practices her religion. She loves her family, it’s complicated, just as is the case for many

It is complicated. So much time on the burka, and not seeing "the mote in our own eyes" - features of our own culture which are wholly undesirable.

I know other people have muslim friends, we've talked about it before -those of us who do, don't generalise about a whole group of people, because we know them as human beings -with all the religious or non religious features, with different family lives, and so much more.

And enjoy difference, when we find it, not castigate it. The Dooley videos we saw posted earlier reminded me of the worst of footie hooligans, or certain types of male locker room behaviour....

I know other people have muslim friends, we've talked about it before -those of us who do, don't generalise about a whole group of people, because we know them as human beings -with all the religious or non religious features, with different family lives, and so much more.

No we don't generalise.

I agree with you MOnica about practicality, but don't understand your comment about respecting other cultures, with respect to the wearing of a burial.
Do you feel that a woman wearing a burial is disrespecting you?

Burka!

Confused by your comment Allira. Can someone be a Muslim, but not be Muslim? Thought Muslim was the religion.

Yes Wyllow, it is all about the burka. The concept of being against coercion seems to gave been dropped.

Apologies for the typos. Machine acting up, and playing games.

Maremia

Confused by your comment Allira. Can someone be a Muslim, but not be Muslim? Thought Muslim was the religion.

What do you mean? Was it the hairdresser comment in response to Wyllow?

I really am not interested who someone's hairdresser is or who they might meet at the gym, quite frankly. It is irrelevant.

No one should be ashamed of their hair and face and be covered up from head to toe as if an object.. The men don't, they are in western dress. It's oppression and control. About time Burqua was banned. We must be mad allowing it.

Thanks Allira. I now understand your comment.

Wyllow3

It is complicated. So much time on the burka, and not seeing "the mote in our own eyes" - features of our own culture which are wholly undesirable.

I know other people have muslim friends, we've talked about it before -those of us who do, don't generalise about a whole group of people, because we know them as human beings -with all the religious or non religious features, with different family lives, and so much more.

And enjoy difference, when we find it, not castigate it. The Dooley videos we saw posted earlier reminded me of the worst of footie hooligans, or certain types of male locker room behaviour....

Oh please! We all know some Muslims, either colleagues or neighbours or hairdressers or people at the gym or friends or relatives….you aren’t the only one!

And enjoying differences doesn’t mean applauding women dressed in burqas, you can’t get to know anyone who is entirely covered from head to toe.

Wyllow3 I do wish you would stop talking down at us. You have a view but it is just that, and other people on this thread have views that may be different to yours but are just as valid.

The majority of us live in a society where we daily interact with people of other ethnicities, other religions and other cultures and we are also aware of the great range of dress, behaviour and other parameters that exist in every group.

However we also have the right to express concern when a small group within this wider diversity have customs or practices we consider un acceptable in this country. The arguments made supporting the wearing of the burqa, could also be used to support FGM.

M0nica

Wyllow3 I do wish you would stop talking down at us. You have a view but it is just that, and other people on this thread have views that may be different to yours but are just as valid.

The majority of us live in a society where we daily interact with people of other ethnicities, other religions and other cultures and we are also aware of the great range of dress, behaviour and other parameters that exist in every group.

However we also have the right to express concern when a small group within this wider diversity have customs or practices we consider un acceptable in this country. The arguments made supporting the wearing of the burqa, could also be used to support FGM.

Completely agree with this M0nica and I would like to add that I hope Wyllow3 will stop calling posters who disagree with her racists.

It is not racist to want controlled immigration.

Primrose53

M0nica

Wyllow3 I do wish you would stop talking down at us. You have a view but it is just that, and other people on this thread have views that may be different to yours but are just as valid.

The majority of us live in a society where we daily interact with people of other ethnicities, other religions and other cultures and we are also aware of the great range of dress, behaviour and other parameters that exist in every group.

However we also have the right to express concern when a small group within this wider diversity have customs or practices we consider un acceptable in this country. The arguments made supporting the wearing of the burqa, could also be used to support FGM.

Completely agree with this M0nica and I would like to add that I hope Wyllow3 will stop calling posters who disagree with her racists.

It is not racist to want controlled immigration.

Seconded on that one. It's very annoying to be called some pejorative term that does not apply to oneself at all. Though I think "Well that says more about the person doing the namecalling than anything else".

As for controlled immigration - yep....we are a VERY VERY overpopulated country already....and already there are lots who don't seem to realise it's necessary to learn our language/our ways and integrate.

This is indeed getting repetitive. Primrose, if you read back on your own posts, you have discussed far, far more than controlled immigration, which I agree with. No it is not racist to want controlled immigration but you and others have said a great deal else.

Thinking about another aspect of burkas. Are they always black? And, does this contribute to any, (struggling here to find the right word and will go with 'fear' just now, happy to change it) 'fear' of them?
Black is a negative colour.
(I know the Afghan women wear a shade of blue)

If you don’t agree with me you are an extreme right racist. That’s how some seem to be and it is dangerous and very divisive. Far more dangerous than even they seem to realise.

It all depends on what a person is actually saying. If they are making racist comments, then they are likely to be racist.
Farage claims to not being racist.

That had me doing a quick google re Nigel Farage - and he came back as one-eighth German and married to a German wife. So I'd say his personal circumstances even don't equal a racist.

In what way Cariad ?

Someone who is a racist obviously:
- wouldnt marry a foreign wife
- have a not-that-far back foreign predecessor (that one-eighth ie a great-grandparent is still fairly close in line so to say).

Obvious enough that I'm surprised at asking that question...

I think the attacks on Farage for what he said as a school boy, most unfair. I am not supporter of him or his party but in our teenage years what we proclaim as our views are usually just a repeating of the opinions we hear at home.

I came from a staunchly main stream Conservative home and, heaven help me, I have a vague idea that I might have joined the Conservative society in my first term at university.

By the end of the second term having been exposed to other parties, other political philosphies and how they played out in policies, I was an active member of the Liberal party and society.