From the Palace to Government…

Maybe this will end the rather sad deference to the Windsor clan.

Working Royals? Hilarious.

The King must be mortified by the actions of his brother

It’s not just the actions of his brother that needs to be under scrutiny, it’s at actions and inactions of the Royal Family. Andrew’s associations were clearly known by the Royal Family. No way he could have brought Epstein, Maxwell and various girls/women to Buckingham Palace and Balmoral without the most senior royals being aware and the police and palace security knowing about it. All the investigations should involve them. We taxpayers have to pay for this royal security that travels with them everywhere. Let us see exactly how far the corruption and cover up goes. Prince Charles should not be protected from public scrutiny.

The Royal family did protect Andrew at first but with new revelations coming regularly it became untenable for them.
King Charles has been less protective of his brother than the late Queen was.

25Avalon

King Charles isn’t snowy white either. He wanted to be a tampon. There’s a saying all power corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It does make you lose faith.

If you are going to bring up a private telephone call which was hacked and sold to the press at least get the detail right. He did not ‘want to be a tampon’, quite the opposite in fact.

I think, judging by our local MP's (none of whom are well known), there a lots of good people there. Frankly, locally, nothing to complain off, hard workers and good regular surgeries.

I also agree that things haven't "got worse", and agree with posters who point out that all is happening is that we find out about matters we didn't before.

I don't think this is the end of Starmer by a long way, buts its a lesson he will never, ever, forget.

He appointed someone on the basis you need dirty fire to fight dirty fire, a massive, massive error.

We grumble about him, but what is it like for people in the US? I don't think (as a LP member) Raynor has a chance - her record is far too poor and she most certainly imo doesn't have real leadership qualities. she isn't favoured by the large chunk of middle left ground of the party who want a Burnham type as I do. The time will come.
Our voting in the non Starmer candidate Lucy Powell - for deputy leader - says it all. Current concerns are about keeping Reform out in local elections and Gorton.

The Royal family did protect Andrew at first but with new revelations coming regularly it became untenable for them
King Charles has been less protective of his brother than the late Queen was
They are still protecting him. It is obvious they knew what was going on for a long time time and have been trying to ‘hush it up’.
It’s obvious too they are more concerned about keeping the monarchy going than seeking justice for the victims. They should have a had all the evidence handed over to the victims lawyers. It’s truly nauseating hearing them say now ‘what about the victims’ having been silent for years about them.
We are all being taken for fools by the monarchy and the institutions surrounding them, They are showing clearly how corrupt they are and how the police are being corrupted.

We are all being taken for fools by the monarchy and the institutions surrounding them

Just like the USA and other countries are with their Presidents and the institutions surrounding them.

Allira in the US case they voted for their President - so they are responsible. They can also get rid of their President. We have unelected Royals and we have no choice but to pay for their lifestyle and security.

What else can the King do, he has taken away every title and honour and responsibility AMW has, dehoused him and rehoused him in a small house (by his standards) in remote rural spot. Cut him out of family gatherings.

I am darn sure the king will be putting pressure on his son to to come clean on everything and make statement to the US authorities in the UK. But if AMW will not the King can do no more than we could in that situation.

I have said before AMW could very well know names of some of the powerful men who were involved with Epstein and abused under age girls.
Do you think these men would allow Andrew to give evidence.
He could have been warned off.

AMW is too thick to recognise a warning, even if it was given.

It’s no longer just about what Andrew should do, it’s about what the Royals knew and did nothing about (except pay. £12 million pounds to keep him out of court. It’s also about what the police and Royal Protection Officers knew.

Andrew MW won’t be testifying anything, neither will any royals or protection officers.
The late Queen only paid out the 12 million to avoid any hints of scandal affecting the RF not because she thought it was true.

M0nica

What else can the King do, he has taken away every title and honour and responsibility AMW has, dehoused him and rehoused him in a small house (by his standards) in remote rural spot. Cut him out of family gatherings.

I am darn sure the king will be putting pressure on his son to to come clean on everything and make statement to the US authorities in the UK. But if AMW will not the King can do no more than we could in that situation.

He could stop supporting him financially.

Prince Edward was asked if the Royal Family was going to support the Victims? He, IMO, nearly answered the reporters question by the look on his face.. Prince Edward then collected himself and walked on…

Cannot imagine the conversations going on inside The Palace.. must be a truly awful atmosphere…

Basgetti

M0nica

What else can the King do, he has taken away every title and honour and responsibility AMW has, dehoused him and rehoused him in a small house (by his standards) in remote rural spot. Cut him out of family gatherings.

I am darn sure the king will be putting pressure on his son to to come clean on everything and make statement to the US authorities in the UK. But if AMW will not the King can do no more than we could in that situation.

He could stop supporting him financially.

Well, I don't want any of the tax I pay going towards his or his ex-wife's keep so his brother can continue paying his keep as far as I'm concerned.

StoneofDestiny

Allira in the US case they voted for their President - so they are responsible. They can also get rid of their President. We have unelected Royals and we have no choice but to pay for their lifestyle and security.

But what good would voting for a president do when we can’t even elect a decent prime minister?

Perhaps they could, shock, horror, work for a living, Allira?

Mollygo

StoneofDestiny

Allira in the US case they voted for their President - so they are responsible. They can also get rid of their President. We have unelected Royals and we have no choice but to pay for their lifestyle and security.

But what good would voting for a president do when we can’t even elect a decent prime minister?

The point is that Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor is not our Head of State, nor likely to be.

In a Constitutional Monarchy, the Head of State does not have the powers that most Presidents have.

Basgetti

Perhaps they could, shock, horror, work for a living, Allira?

Who would employ them or take them on or support a business they might start?

B and Q always have openings …..

Basgetti

B and Q always have openings …..

Apart from joking there’s nothing that someone in Andrew’s position could do in the world of work.

I dare say Andrew could mop a floor or load a washing machine in a Care Home for example.
He appears to be able bodied.

I think he is about to learn how to look after himself as it would appear that the Staff do not wish to work for him.

Questions are now being asked about how involved the York sisters were with Epstein, as it’s said they had lunch with him in Miami days after he was released from prison.
They were adults then.
It’s also said they gave Epstein’s guests a tour of Buckingham Palace.
BBC news this morning.