The King's Speech

Smileless2012

Well I agree with him Grany and Charles has been trained for and working toward this role for the majority of his life.

So a president would have to be “trained” most of life to be a Head of Sate 😂😂😂😂 it’s a job that RF don’t do properly, if when laws of our country’s constitution is broken disregarded to step in. RF don’t

If it encourages people to hear Charles saying what he didnadateturbe, all well and good. I'm happy for them.
I was being sarcastic volver

Those who love to hate the Royal Family as heads of state will not like it but were never going to. Theirs is not an argument but an ideology.

I can do ideology and arguments. Its a gift I have.

Most will be quite happy because the majority have better things to do than come up with new things to hate and no one has offered anything better.

Most will be quite happy because they can't conceive of anything better than having the posh folk in charge.

You want to hear what might be better? Read all my previous posts. All of them. The ones I have been posting for months, explaining what would be better. But no, that's not likely to happen, is it...

nadateturbe

^If it encourages people to hear Charles saying what he didnadateturbe, all well and good. I'm happy for them.^
I was being sarcastic volver

Ah, sorry, didn't get it.

It does make people happy though, doesn't it? Oddly...

Grany

Smileless2012

Well I agree with him Grany and Charles has been trained for and working toward this role for the majority of his life.

So a president would have to be “trained” most of life to be a Head of Sate 😂😂😂😂 it’s a job that RF don’t do properly, if when laws of our country’s constitution is broken disregarded to step in. RF don’t

You do like to believe your opinion is the equivalent to evidence based facts, don't you Grany. Nothing changes.

“Then a thank you to the armed forces. Made me think that this generation of royals needs to move forward a bit - the armed forces aren't the centre of everyone's lives anymore.”

So, whilst you’re all sat in your comfy chairs musing, who’s out supporting striking organisations, and giving up their Christmas to sit on standby just in case. Let alone those on ‘notice to move’ waiting to make a quick response in case the unforeseeable happens. Or those guarding borders in Estonia, Cyprus, the Arabian Sea and elsewhere. You may not notice them, but they’re always there, supporting us all.

ExperiencedNotOld

“Then a thank you to the armed forces. Made me think that this generation of royals needs to move forward a bit - the armed forces aren't the centre of everyone's lives anymore.”

So, whilst you’re all sat in your comfy chairs musing, who’s out supporting striking organisations, and giving up their Christmas to sit on standby just in case. Let alone those on ‘notice to move’ waiting to make a quick response in case the unforeseeable happens. Or those guarding borders in Estonia, Cyprus, the Arabian Sea and elsewhere. You may not notice them, but they’re always there, supporting us all.

I’m with you Experiencednotold in finding that comment unnecessary and unpleasant.

volver

^Those who love to hate the Royal Family as heads of state will not like it but were never going to. Theirs is not an argument but an ideology.^

I can do ideology and arguments. Its a gift I have.

Most will be quite happy because the majority have better things to do than come up with new things to hate and no one has offered anything better.

Most will be quite happy because they can't conceive of anything better than having the posh folk in charge.

You want to hear what might be better? Read all my previous posts. All of them. The ones I have been posting for months, explaining what would be better. But no, that's not likely to happen, is it...

I an do ideology and arguments. Its a gift I have.

I haven't seen any evidence of this. On the other hand, when it comes to an arrogant belief in your own talents ...

Would you like to define "posh folks" for those of us who speak ordinary English rather than hate speech?

So you can't give me, in one short sentence, an example of where they do the head of state thing better. No surprise there then.

Don't lecture me about the armed forces, folks. Just don't go there.

You can lecture me about people who live in luxury and wear Ruritanian costumes telling us all to be grateful for the gallant British Tommy though.

There's a difference.

ExperiencedNotOld

“Then a thank you to the armed forces. Made me think that this generation of royals needs to move forward a bit - the armed forces aren't the centre of everyone's lives anymore.”

So, whilst you’re all sat in your comfy chairs musing, who’s out supporting striking organisations, and giving up their Christmas to sit on standby just in case. Let alone those on ‘notice to move’ waiting to make a quick response in case the unforeseeable happens. Or those guarding borders in Estonia, Cyprus, the Arabian Sea and elsewhere. You may not notice them, but they’re always there, supporting us all.

I agree with you ExperiencedNotOld (like the name). I didn't think it worth commenting although I was sad to read the original paragraph. We seem to have moved into a world where running good people down is now a sport. Or perhaps this has always been the state of the uneducated. In this case those with no knowledge of what our forces do for us. It's so easy to ridicule what you don't know, sadly.

So you can't give me, in one short sentence, an example of where they do the head of state thing better. No surprise there then.

Well you didn't ask for that, but now that you have...

Eire. Germany. Finland.

Didn't even need to make a sentence. 😊

You don't have to agree. I'll be surprised if you do.

Smileless2012

Would you have preferred it if he'd not mentioned them at all Glorianny?

Well as thanking them does b-all to help them with the problems they are facing I think it would have showed a little respect to actually acknowledge those problems. If you are struggling to pay your way a thank you is in a way just a kick in the teeth- we know you are valuable we just don't want to pay you for your work!
There's a lot about how people who found this a ridiculous speech are ideologically driven, but so are those who approve of this speech.
The difference is our objections are built on reasoned arguments whereas the supporters seem just to be emotionally invested in a RF.

volver

^So you can't give me, in one short sentence, an example of where they do the head of state thing better. No surprise there then.^

Well you didn't ask for that, but now that you have...

Eire. Germany. Finland.

Didn't even need to make a sentence. 😊

You don't have to agree. I'll be surprised if you do.

And now a list of Republics where they do the Head of State thing oh so, so much worse?

Don’t worry, I’m not really expecting you to admit it.

I’ll start

Russia…….

Lathyrus

I’ll start

Russia…….

That's not really a true democracy is it? so not actually comparable with the UK. (unless you are suggesting that our democracy is just as corrupt????!!)

(unless you are suggesting that our democracy is just as corrupt????!!)
Well that has been suggested on GN and I don’t recollect you denying it - might even have been you who mentioned Putin.

Glorianny

Lathyrus

I’ll start

Russia…….

That's not really a true democracy is it? so not actually comparable with the UK. (unless you are suggesting that our democracy is just as corrupt????!!)

It’s a Republic

With an elected President as Head of State

Grany

Majority of country didn’t see it and won’t. A lot will watch and pay little attention. The patronising idea that we need glib sentiments from a man ripping off the taxpayer and failing to live up to basic standards of public life is nonsense. #NotMyKing

Oh so it looks like #NotMyKing is trending today on Christmas. QE2 was beloved, but apparently KC3 is not. Fascinating to watch from the other side of the pond. The concept of monarchy is thing of fairy tales to me.
👀🍷🍿

Charles is sitting on a huge fortune, most of which is either the result of slavery, unique and unjust tax breaks or the state allowing him and his family multi-million pound income from state assets. He has no business patronising the country like this.

Everything Grany says here, which she believes is true about a King is also true of many, maRepublican elected Presidents throughout the world and throughout the years.

Those in power, regardless of the system
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republic=justice =fantasy

Lathyrus

Grany

Majority of country didn’t see it and won’t. A lot will watch and pay little attention. The patronising idea that we need glib sentiments from a man ripping off the taxpayer and failing to live up to basic standards of public life is nonsense. #NotMyKing

Oh so it looks like #NotMyKing is trending today on Christmas. QE2 was beloved, but apparently KC3 is not. Fascinating to watch from the other side of the pond. The concept of monarchy is thing of fairy tales to me.
👀🍷🍿

Charles is sitting on a huge fortune, most of which is either the result of slavery, unique and unjust tax breaks or the state allowing him and his family multi-million pound income from state assets. He has no business patronising the country like this.

Everything Grany says here, which she believes is true about a King is also true of many, maRepublican elected Presidents throughout the world and throughout the years.

Those in power, regardless of the system
.
republic=justice =fantasy

Our Head of State would be a parliamentary President similar to Ireland’s President a well liked and respected Mr Higgins We are denied a chance to choose a president like one of the many successful respected presidents of republics.

Democratic Heads of State Calendar

www.republic.org.uk/shop#!/Democratic-Heads-of-State-2023-Calendar/p/466242966/category=109025111

SparkleFizz I too thought his being filmed in the chapel was an excellent move. Who can much about the inside of a chapel or church?
I found his content about front line workers and the welfare of people to be excellent.

volver

^So you can't give me, in one short sentence, an example of where they do the head of state thing better. No surprise there then.^

Well you didn't ask for that, but now that you have...

Eire. Germany. Finland.

Didn't even need to make a sentence. 😊

You don't have to agree. I'll be surprised if you do.

You must know that is not an example of where they do better. Just naming a few states is not putting an argument in favour of what they do.

The Irish HoS was put forward once before with no changes in opinion. Most people had never heard of him, nor did they know about the Irish system for Heads of State. I don't remember anything in their system that proved it is "better" than ours.

And now a list of Republics where they do the Head of State thing oh so, so much worse?
Don’t worry, I’m not really expecting you to admit it.

Don't challenge me Lathyrus, not if you're not expecting a sensible answer to a daft question.

Its necessary first of all to understand the difference between a Head of State and a Head of Government. Some countries have both roles embodied in one person. Many do not. Like ourselves in the UK, for instance.

So, if you think of Heads of State that are also Heads of Government, there are indeed many examples where this has gone wrong. Brazil under Bolsonaro. The US under Trump.

The Heads of State that are not Heads of Government? I seriously couldn't think of any where it's gone wrong. Then, of course you come up with Russia. Its quite sweet that you think that Putin is the elected Head of State of Russia, elected under fair circumstances and with no influence over the Head of Government. Such innocence 🤣

In our system, there is nothing to stop a PM deciding that s/he wants to be head of everything forever, and getting the power to change everything, if they want to. Bit like Putin did.

But if you want to see Constitutional Monarchies gone wrong, I think Thailand is a good example.

Well over 10 million tuned into his speech.