Over 10000 deaths

Ignoring the Cygnus findings was the first but not the only mistake. To save money they ignored results that we were unprepared for such a pandemic
Taking no heed of the findings despite SARS and MERS, both corona related, in the last few years, results were brushed under the carpet and we have to live, or die, with this. Shame on them and sadly we have not seen the last of this. I despair.

Anyway, this is the 21st century we should have moved with the times. There's been no excuse whatsoever.

FYI Spanish flu didn’t kill 10% of the world population. It was just over 1%. Still dreadful numbers but let’s not exaggerate.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19453486

Having avoided the news, I am horrified to find the UK may well be the place with the most deaths. I don't find it helpful at all seeing a graph telling me its worse elsewhere.

It's all just fudging and juggling to avoid saying the government is a shambles.

What’s your problem with Baggs graphs Greymar?

" interesting to compare figures", very interesting for all concerned. My friend a mother of a nurse, hasnt slept for weeks, in total isolation. Yes interesting alright.

Dasiymay, I think you are absolutely right. Somebody somewhere hears " herd immunity". It sounds about right, OK, lets go with that then.

I said at the outset it was a disgraceful phrase.

Heartbreaking news today. We have a family member who is in that count. Sadly he passed last Sunday, he did have underlying issues which made it all much worse. My heart goes out to all those families and to the NHS trying so valiently to save the lives of so many people.

I believe the highest figure for deaths in the UK in modern times for seasonal winter flu is 23,000, not counting Spanish flu in the 19th century which killed a tenth of the world population. Sweden has not gone into lockdown at all so it will be interesting to compare figures when we think we are out of this pandemic. I have not seen any figures recorded for medical staff dying from flu in other countries so it's difficult to comment on that. Other countries mostly have insurance based /private health care schemes so can't be compared with the UK's state funded free for all at the point of use, which includes being accessible to tourists, non permanent residents and non taxpayers.

This is the timeline of WHO announcements

Couldn't you have just put a link up Whitewavemark2 ?

If this virus is a mixture of SARS and MERS it means that it can be partially airborne such as SARS was ? To be spread so quickly.

WHO timeline

Phew !, it will get zapped no doubt about it so speed reading might be in order????

EllanVannin, early research indicates that herd immunity is not the answer. Young people who have a mild version of the disease tend to have a corresponding mild, and temporary, immunity to it.

Therefore, there's a strong possibility that they are prone to catch (and transmit) it again. I do hope and pray that the research turns out to be wrong!

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I think that millions will die, it feels inevitable. When it gets a grip in countries where isolation is impossible, with little healthcare, poor sanitation and hygiene facilities.

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Everything is political paddyanne. We can't avoid it, politics permeates every aspect of our lives.

A long history of underfunding the NHS, community care and police force has meant we had a weak starting point for the crisis.

The delays, followed by 'too little, too late' has cost countless precious human lives - there's no escaping that fact.

If we're not careful this pandemic could mirror the Spanish 'flu pandemic which killed millions worldwide and continued spreading for nearly 2 years. It's been said that a vaccine won't be sought for at least 18 months so the odds are stacked against us as a population with this many deaths to date.
Not encouraging is it ?

How can this NOT be political ?Surely the 10000 deaths and the many the English figures dont show are down to POLITICAL incompetence .

WW2, not overdone at all. People need to read it all!

I certainly am outraged. Every time I've seen the number of deaths reported I've been incensed by it.
People have been allowed to do exactly what they pleased from the beginning of January onwards and it's been an absolute crime when the powers that be knew exactly what was coming.

No closed borders. No closed airports. No halt on gatherings and meetings. What did they expect ? A quick about turn of this virus to somewhere else, over our heads ?

I very much doubt that the figures are true too !

There's a lot of fact and detail, however I don't think that the influencers are bothered or interested. I suspect that policy was changed on the hoof after observations were made on the topics take were trending on Twitter over the weekend before lockdown was announced. This could be the level we are at. I suspect that history will reveal some incredible tales.