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Iam
A good post.
I don’t know if anyone watched Question Time last night. Lisa Nandy was on, and yet again I was impressed by her performance. She is a first rate politician and although I think Keir Starmer is highly intelligent and will do a good job of leading the Labour Party, I much prefer Lisa Nandy, and wish she had been elected leader. Maybe in the future though.

Thank you Maizie.

growstuff, yes schools are incubators of germs.

As for an exit strategy, I do not think any strategy should be formulated in stone, it is of necessity going to have to be fluid.

China's strategy of partially opening up again is not working, is it. Deaths have gone up from single figures to 1,290 in the last 24 hours.

We all have anecdotal evidence, Barmeyoldbat

I'm aware of many who dont vote Labour

But we shouldn't be thinking about this really

And how WOULD you feel if a Tory voting consultant/doctor/nurse saved your life?

You wouldn't care how they voted

This is getting silly now

Ooopsminty, how would I know and I wouldn't care but that doesn't change anything. You would have done better, if you voted Tory to have voted for someone who wouldn't run the NHS into the ground than stand outside clapping and showing your appreciation when at the same time you had contributed to the mess they are in now.

Ooopminty
Absolutely. It’s absolutely ridiculous to talk of Tory voters in the way Barmeyoldbat did. It’s ridiculous because many Tory voters are doctors, nurses, or health care workers, or others who work in the NHS in some capacity. Indeed, would anyone ask a doctor or nurse who they voted for before they agreed to be treated for them? I’m fed up of the way people are maligned from the Left for voting as they wished to in a democratic society. Left wingers are NOT the only decent people in society, and what gives them the right to be so down right nasty to other people who exercised their vote democratically. Every single one of us use the NHS and we all have a stake it.

Who said I voted Conservative?

I just didn't like the I inference that Conservative voters shouldn't be clapping

Anyone can clap. Or not clap. Its up to them. No matter their politics

Did you see the clip of Macron getting into a somewhat heated discussion with French medics?

They were saying they'd been struggling for 15 years due to lack of funds

Everywhere is the same

Extraordinary times

Hear, hear, maddyone

The NHS has spare capacity in ITU just in case you hadn’t noticed, and plenty of capacity in the Nightingale hospitals. The NHS has risen to problem of this pandemic magnificently. That’s why people of all persuasions are clapping them, because they are doing a magnificent job. The pandemic is worldwide, and that’s why every country in the world is fighting to get sufficient PPE. We were too slow off the mark, that’s a legitimate complaint, but not having a go at people because of who they voted for. In a democracy.

Thanks Ooopsminty

I'm quite angry- The stimulus money allocated for small business was also given to corporations that didn't meet the criteria- Now the fund is depleted- It made it to maybe 1/8th of the businesses it was designated for-

maddyone well said.

In fact, there was not much more being offered to the NHS in the last Labour manifesto than the Conservatives were offering and who knows how they would have coped?

Had they won, that £3 billion extra would have been squandered in a flash on more management roles and the money would have disappeared before this crisis happened
That is what happened last time they were in power and resulted in the needless N Staffs deaths.

I do agree, maddyone, everyone is applauding the magnificent work the NHS staff are doing and everyone else keeping the country going at this critical time.

Whatever they voted.

And oopsminty.

You have no right to tell anyone they should not clap NHS staff, Barmeyoldbat.

And no, I didn't vote for them but neither did I vote for Corbyn.

I didn't say you shouldn't clap if you voted Tory and yes they have some equipment but what protective clothing and testing? Yes I am angry, as I said we should all be angry at the number of people dying, especially those who died because they were working.

Barmeyoldbat I remember being in hospital during the time of the last Labour Government and yes, I was very well looked after indeed once I managed eventually to get on to that ward.

However, I also remember asking the sister in charge of the ward (all single rooms for reasons of infection control) why they were not using the rooms beyond mine and she said they desperately needed them for patients but that they had been taken away from them to use as offices for the increase in management staff.
She was angry and upset.

I also remember going in for an operation and not having to wait very long. Also I had a great of hospital appointments at that time and the wait was far shorter than we have now. Also now we have an extra layer between Dr and hospitals who are a private company and they will assess you first.

do you know they actually knew about the virus in dec 2019 .and did nothing .then was the time to make sure hospitals etc had the equipment and PPE .not wait till the virus got here.....common colds are a different strain from the covid 19....

Try living in Wales.
Labour run and far worse.

And be thankful you did not have to go into Stafford Hospital for your operation.

Who knew about the virus in December moggie?
China who tried to suppress any news?
Then locked down Wuhan and the world hoped it would not spread?

As a matter of fact, the thing I’m most angry about is the way our oldest people in care homes are being treated. I’m so glad my elderly mother lives in a sheltered apartment. I know she is lonely and isolated, but at least she’s in the safest place.
I’m also unhappy that time was wasted on the ridiculous, in my opinion, decision to go for a herd immunity policy. I’d like to know which idiot advised the government on that one, but they will be protected and we’ll never know who it was.

Callistemon
Thank you for your support. The incident you describe about the rooms used as offices in a hospital shows us quite clearly that no government is perfect with regard to the NHS.
I have recently had surgery, in January, just before all this took off. I cannot fault the care I received, it was outstanding.
I was in hospital during the Blair years with a serious infection. My care was not outstanding unfortunately. A catalogue of mistakes were made with my care, including not receiving medication that had been prescribed to make me well, pretty important with a life threatening infection. My point is that the government in charge makes little difference to the care you receive in hospital.

And I believe if you were to be admitted to hospital with Coronavirus now, your care would be exemplary. The NHS is doing a fabulous job with this.

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the ineffective scramble to supply staff with the necessary PPE

When will those mentioning PPE learn that this is a worldwide issue?

The world didn't have enough PPE.

It's as simple as that.

It's a huge worry for not only the staff, but the relatives of hospital workers.

www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/03/31/heres-how-some-of-the-countries-worst-hit-by-coronavirus-are-dealing-with-shortages-of-protective-equipment-for-healthcare-workers/#2fa607eb2c13

Barmey….you can't possibly know if the GP's at your surgery 'all vote Labour'. that's just you hoping that they do! They probably all vote differently, like all other people.
I remember hospitals in the later Blair years as being quite dirty when my DD was in there for a month, thankfully they have got much better in the years since.I 'm not sure what it was down to ( certainly not politics) as it's too easy to continually blame that.