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GagaJo Mon 13-Apr-20 09:17:55

We need to be angry. We need to hold the government to account.

Yes, many of the populace are not abiding by the very lax lockdown. BUT the government should have abided by the WHO advice to TEST, TEST, TEST. By not doing that, they will have cost tens of thousands of British deaths. Our family members, our friends, our colleagues.

When this is over / slowing down, they need to be held accountable. We had THREE months notice. We watched Italy and Spain. And yet, they did nothing.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/12/uk-coronavirus-deaths-preventable-government-account?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR2jsLJsSxRe8KZ21zS-K3eLKre7QRajhPRhzpLliH2NnAJ9iQwM9Km-FmI

Labaik Mon 13-Apr-20 16:32:41

Splitting hairs a bit aren't we...only @ 700 deaths today. Hurrah...[phew; and there was me getting worried as well as angry]

AGAA4 Mon 13-Apr-20 16:36:42

Covid19 isn't going to go away any time soon. Saying we should have been in lockdown earlier is unrealistic. The virus will be here until we get a vaccine and we can't be in lockdown for over a year.
I don't feel angry just sad that this has happened. Laying blame here, there and everywhere is unproductive.
Pandemics happen rarely and nobody is fully prepared for them. We just have to do our best to minimise the damage.
Wishing all GNs and their families to stay well.

Nandalot Mon 13-Apr-20 16:37:22

Just catching up. Good post Labaik.

Callistemon Mon 13-Apr-20 16:38:56

Every death is a tragedy.

However, you are not quoting statistics correctly, OP, as populations vary so widely in number.

Some countries which have not gone into complete lockdown do not have as high a number of cases per 1m of population. There are so many variables to which we do not yet know the answers.

As for China only identifying this at the beginning of January, it has been reported that cases were identified in China as early as November of a new but unnamed virus causing pneumonia-like symptoms but this news was either not regarded as significant or suppressed.
And of course, we all know the tragic story of Dr Li Wenliang who was silenced by the Chinese authorities when he tried to raise the alarm in December.

Anger can cause a dip in immunoglobulin A which will then depress your immune system, cause high blood pressure and added stress so is not a good emotion to encourage at the present time.

Glorybee Mon 13-Apr-20 16:40:42

For me it is sadness, and hope, that we will come out of this as soon as possible. I don’t believe that the govt is ‘complicit’ in anyone’s death, as it’s a strange and dangerous situation affecting the whole world and there has been no template to follow. Each country had to do what they thought best, in a tight timescale, and it must be quite a burden to be involved in decisions of this kind. Obviously lessons need to be learned ‘on the hoof’ and when this is all over.

Callistemon Mon 13-Apr-20 16:45:41

I believe that the WHO's Director General's latest speech asked for
"National unity, do not use this virus for political point scoring"

tickingbird Mon 13-Apr-20 16:50:28

Labaik No more splitting hairs than subtracting almost 300. It wouldn’t be splitting hairs to the extra 300 that didn’t die. The figures seem to be going down and that’s a good thing.

vegansrock Mon 13-Apr-20 16:51:04

Boris Johnson’s current girlfriend Carrie Symonds said that ‘There is no way Boris can repay’ the medical team that saved his life. I have some good news for her: He is in fact the one person in whole country who can do that.
For a start he could - abolish nurses bursaries
-Treat foreign-born NHS staff fairly- at the moment they have to pay for their own health care.
-Fund the NHS on a par with similar countries
And the list could go on
So will Boris truly actually try to ‘repay’ the medics who saved him? Or will he mainly just make sure he is filmed clapping them in road again, once he is better?

MerylStreep Mon 13-Apr-20 16:55:03

MawB
I'll go with tenuous grip on reality ?

sharon103 Mon 13-Apr-20 16:55:37

I might get slated here but I get angry when people accuse the government for mishandling the situation.
This is a new virus that no one knew anything about in the beginning and not much more known about it now.
No one knew what to do.
No one knew if other countries where doing the right thing or not. Some were right we think and others not. I'm sure the government in hindsight would have done better and earlier if they knew then what they know now.
I certainly wouldn't want the responsibility of being a Prime Minister in this crisis.
There's to many critics that think they could do better.

Labaik Mon 13-Apr-20 16:56:31

So we ignore the WHO when it comes to testing but must adhere to their advice when it comes to political point scoring. And why is it political? It isn't one party against another; it's just holding the government in power to account for the worst crisis since WWII. Why are we not allowed to do that when people are dying? Yes tickingbird; it's great that it's only 700 people isn't it....

Callistemon Mon 13-Apr-20 17:04:51

Our medical experts predicted that the Easter weekend would bring the peak and let us hope fervently that this prediction is correct and that the numbers will start to decrease.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 13-Apr-20 17:07:22

Carry on arguing amongst yourselves, but Covid-19 is not going to disappear just because a few countries go into lockdown.

The only solution to being reasonably safe is the finding of and successful testing of a credible vaccine.

Until then each time anyone in the world leaves their home they have a
chance of catching Covid-19, to think otherwise is either naive or has a head in the sand mentality

Glorybee Mon 13-Apr-20 17:07:43

I agree with your post sharon103.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 13-Apr-20 17:13:55

Sharon103 ditto

Elegran Mon 13-Apr-20 17:14:15

With all the stories of people breaking isolation, I suspect that the Easter weekend could be the time when the number of people getting infected rises - the result of that could appear in graphs in due course.

maddyone Mon 13-Apr-20 17:32:50

monica
Very good post. Anger is destructive.

tickingbird
The numbers of deaths are huge, but as you say, they are not, and never have been 1000 a day, thank goodness. Exaggeration isn’t help in discussion.

Chestnut Mon 13-Apr-20 17:41:46

I agree with sharon103 and GG13. So many keyboard warriors here who think they could run the country. I worry for their mental health.

growstuff Mon 13-Apr-20 17:43:53

I suspect they are over 1000 a day, if deaths in care homes and at home were included. Most of these people haven't even been tested.

We'll probably never know the exact number of deaths brought on by Covid-19. The only way will be in hindsight by comparing the death rate with previous years.

growstuff Mon 13-Apr-20 17:44:46

Why do you worry for their mental health?

growstuff Mon 13-Apr-20 17:46:01

For once I agree with you GrannyGravy.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 13-Apr-20 17:54:50

growstuffgrin

MawB Mon 13-Apr-20 18:28:46

The numbers of deaths are huge, but as you say, they are not, and never have been 1000 a day, thank goodness.Exaggeration isn’t help in discussion

M0nica are you living in cloud cuckoo land?
980 deaths in hospitals alone on Friday - so not counting those in care homes or in the community.
I think it is more than highly likely that more than 20 deaths occurred in that 24 hour period - so by my reckoning that makes it easily 1000
Wherein lies the “unhelpful” exaggeration?

MawB Mon 13-Apr-20 18:35:37

My apologies- that should have been addressed to tickingbird

Daisymae Mon 13-Apr-20 18:39:37

People were in despair at the governments lack of action. We watched other countries healthcare systems implode. Some took their children out of schools, others started to isolate, football matches were being cancelled etc. etc. The government have always been playing catch up. Even now Scotland and Wales have announced that lockdown will be extended. Our government - well Raab hinted today that they will not be ending, but they are having a meeting later this week. Seriously.