Confused

There’s another thread, ‘PM’s Message’, lots of questions and answers.

But no, we are still on Lockdown and no, you can’t visit family still.

For your own sanity, don't go to the other thread. It's like witnessing the mantra of an indoctrinated cult.

Beau1958. There's no need to be confused. Nothing has really changed. Apparently, you can go out all day and catch infection if you want.

There was deliberately vague waffle about being encouraged back to work. That was because the furlough scheme is about to be cut, so people who can't work from home will be forced to leave home to work anyway and won't get much financial help. There would appear to be a lack of joined up thinking about transport to/from work and childcare, especially for pre-schoolers. More people are going to suffer financial difficulties, but the cult don't care about that - they're alright!

Put simply, you haven't been given permission to visit your children. The situation is the same as it is now. If you are 60 and have no health issues you have never been told you have to stay at home totally. You have always been able to go out for exercise and shopping. If your family is relatively close, there is no reason why you shouldn't meet up for a joint walk, but you are still advised to keep your distance, which means no hugging or close contact.

At 60 you can do more or less what you want apart from visiting other households ( you may meet up with 1 for recreational exercise) but are advised against public transport unless absolutely necessary eg if going back to work and driving/cycling/ walking out of the question,go back to work provided you can still respect social distancing and hygiene as before. No handshaking, kissing or hugging . Shopping as before - because at 60 you were not in total lockdown like those shielding.
Pretty much what Germany and Denmark are permitting which many people, chafing at lockdown have been praising.
You can’t please all of the people all of the time.

Many people have been saying Why can’t Garden Centres open? Why can’t I buy paint and use this time for decorating? I am desperate to have my hair cut or see a podiatrist. These people woukd have to go back to work to enable this and have to get there, as do bus drivers, train drivers and posties. We can’t complain about all services bring withdrawn and then complain at an attempt to reinstate them and everybody seems to be able to come up with examples where it could be done safely. By “alert” I am interpreting it as “use your common sense”.
I think those of us who are older are being given more of a right to choose safe activities, but childcare and hugging your grandchildren are not among them yet.

You can't please all of the people all of the time Well said MawB! You explained it in one sentence!

Yes MawB. We are all keen for the type of work to begin that suits us, but not so keen when it doesn’t.

Our boiler conked out right at the start of lockdown. Our lovely plumber was able to access one, his usual supply depot shut down straightaway, and he came and fitted it, trying hard to observe social distancing.

Where would we have been if he and his supply had not worked? Without heat (and it was cold back then) and no hot water, that’s where.

Unfortunately, many people are going to feel that they are forced back to work. It's predicted that Sunak will announce changes to the furlough scheme today (wonder why it wasn't announced yesterday with the main announcement ).

Some companies might not be able or unwilling to put safety measures in place. Others might not be able to accommodate flexi-working for parents with children still at home. There is unlikely to be enough public transport. Other companies will find that their market has gone and they could end up closing. One way or the other, there is going to be a new wave of redundancies and an increase in unemployment, leading to debt problems, evictions, etc.

I don’t think visiting other households will be allowed until Schools go back and some shops open. Long road ahead.

You can visit them outside with social distancing. According to Raab in BBC breakfast. Whether you should is another matter.

Thanks everyone for a bit more clarity I think I am so desperate to see my grandson I have virtually seen him every day since he was born he’s now two and I haven’t seen him for 2 months he’s only 10 minutes down the road it’s so so hard.

I think Raab should be top of the list of those who are confused, unless somebody forgot to brief him .

Beau1958 If he's old enough to understand that he must keep his distance from you, I don't see why you couldn't meet up somewhere, but keep apart. The danger is that he'll want a hug, which you really mustn't do. Maybe you could "chat" through a window, using sign language or pictures as a sort of game.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW_E_Qcb8ts&app=desktop

I don't think he was clear enough. Too much chat and not enough fact. Nicola Sturgeon had the right approach - straight down the line and no waffle

But wasn't Nicola Sturgeon the one dangling the idea of social bubbles in front of us last week?.The media jumped all over that and certainly it raised hopes and expectations.Now it's nothing is going to change.Why did she even mention that one?

Germany have already announced an increase in cases! Uk would be well advised to sit back and wait and see.

Yes, so they will no doubt rein back on a temporary basis which is exactly what the staged “return” is predicated on.

I agree Oldbat1. I have heard three times today that Germany and South Korea have had a rise in cases since they relaxed the lockdown. Several other threads on the go are saying we should have followed Germanys examples, it seems they have not heard that they have rising numbers once again. I give up with it all as many people are just doing there own thing.

varian that has gone viral now!

We will learn more details later today.

Last night’s ten minute broadcast was only meant to be a brief outline of the government’s plans.

I'm just one of those confused. As I live in Wales much of what Boris announced does not effect me. However if someone lives in England and works in Wales or the other way round there will be much confusion . Here, in Wales they are opening garden centres and recycling centres, but I can only drive for essential purposes as before, and short distances, so those visits are out of the question. I can understand the governments request not to use public transport, but having previously lived in Hampshire, and working in the City of London, using the train and underground was the only option, going by bike would be difficult to say the least!

All in all I will continue to walk the dog, several times a day if I like now, get my groceries delivered if I can eventually get a delivery slot, and pour another Gin

I think to say be aware is confusing, stay home I understand. Return to work, not enough information. I am glad we have Boris and his speeches, he motivates. I do think there was not enough detail in last nights.let’s hope it is clarified today.

He doesn't motivate me Sparkling. I can't imagine what you see in him to motivate anybody. He bumbles incoherently and the more he says, the more I really, really can't stand him. In fact, I would go as far as to say that I really despise him.

Meanwhile, millions of people will be forced back to work in potentially unsafe working environments. You wouldn't know about work, would you, JenniferEccles?

Use your own good common sense.If your grand child lives up the road (mine do) then go for a walk, knock on their door and stand back for 2 metres to have a chat with them before resuming your walk.We do this regularly, and often leave a little treat for them. It’s all about being sensible and staying apart, not by refusing to see them!