Should I feel guilty?

I do not think you have done anything wrong - it was sensible and distanced - unlike DC who obviously knew he had the virus and drove 260 miles with it and spread it around a bit up north!

This surely needs some common sense? I have MH and physical issues and am shielding, but tomorrow I have to go to hospital because they have found a lesion on my kidney - who knows it could be dodgy and if it is will it get seen to at the moment?? I will be going on the way back to see my adult daughter who lives about 9 miles away - there is a green outside and we will sit there. I will need the loo, so will need to go inside for that but with hand washing and disinfecting what is the issue?

You did nothing wrong - there have been plenty of others mixing, wearing PPE and just throwing on the ground for others to pick up/spitting and coughing at people and totally ignoring the rules ... COMMON SENSE is what is required and what you practised!

We allow family members into our back garden rather than sitting on the drive. We are sitting apart so no different from meeting in a park. I certainly do not feel guilty. We have to start easing out of lockdown

See- that's what all the political folk breaking the rules has done! Its making everyone want to throw caution to the winds whilst some us are desparately trying to still be sensible! And lets not forget that they all did it when we were under strict rules to stay indoors! Now a lot of the public (especially the chavs, thugs, and total idiots who keep getting fined for it!) Are just going to run amok! Couple of months down the line and there'l be a huge surge in cases& deaths again, i would put money on it! This could go on for years as ill bet the money for research for a vaccine will dry up as well!? I think Boris has given up trying to 'control' the situation,as he can't even control his own gov't & staff!

GOING INSIDE to your familys loo is NOT allowed! Especially if youve just been inside a blinking hospital! Why would you do that?!its such a risk to your daughter! I have to go regularly to hosp anticoag for an INR test as on lifelong warfarin- and i had to go 2days ago for an IMR chest scan- but even though i was gloved&masked,when i got home i went straight for a shower& change of clothes! I would never 'stop off' at one of my AC's houses (&eldests family live not far) and risk them.(&im one who needs loo often, so would never take risk!)

I wouldn't worry about it. I haven't seen my Grandchildren at all for ten weeks but next door don't seem to think the rules apply to them. They allow visitors with their children to call at will and mix in close contact, including their elderly parents. Yesterday they had visitors who stood talking directly with them about a foot apart face to face and they allowed their daughter to go to her friends house across the road for the afternoon. Yet she stands there on a Thursday night clapping and banging her saucepan in support of NHS workers!

I do hope those flouting the rules will decline a bed in ICU if they become ill.
An hour of fun with relatives may come at a very high price.

Don't feel guilty mine came round Saturday not once did they come in the house, stayed in garden in fact my 4yr old GC told me 2 meters grandma.

Jillybird I agree with you and I get how you are feeling. Please enjoy your visit from your grand children I hope it's a lovely day. Looking forward to seeing mine at some point but they are way to young to understand social distancing. Have a lovely timex

Inishowen- how do you know there's "NO HARM DONE"??? You& other adults may have sat spaced apart- but letting all the children play in the paddling pool??? Are you insane?! You don't know there's no harm done,what if ones picked up the virus somehow- shown no symptoms& now passed it on? You'd only be ok if ALL OF YOU THERE HAD TESTED NEGATIVE FOR COVID 19! And then only if it was not a false negative. Common sense has definitely disappeared in uk i think.

Merylstreep - I've been going out. Every day. To work. In a hospital. Not saving lives, but adhering to the rules that this killer virus dictates. I've also been going shopping once a week, again adhering to the rules this killer virus dictates. What I haven't been doing is having any of my adult children or six grandsons round for a jolly chat in my garden. Not even on my birthday last month. My presents were left on my doorstep and I waved through the window at two grandsons singing to me. I hope the mother of the 13 year old boy who died without his family around him and couldn't attend his funeral doesn't read these posts. They're a disgrace to everyone that's died of this killer virus. I'm disgusted at the level of intelligence and people trying to justify their behaviour. There is no justification. Pathetic.

Any particular reason why we cannot use their loos? What about public ones/supermarkets? I have used both public and supermarket ones. Nobody there by the way, I never sit down, I used toilet paper to flush, open door, then hand washing as usual of course!

I agree Harrigran- i have 7 'children'- all but one adults(17 yr old & 21 yr old still live with me) and ive 8GC,one step- GC,and new GC on the way,and theyre all a loving family who (in normal times) spend time with me and each other- so we're all missing each other terribly! BUT- we have not taken the risk,and ive not even met nearest daughter one to one in park, as im sure it would make me miss them all even more! So for now,ive got phone calls to the others and send gifts direct to them,and ive got my 2 youngest boys for company and to love, (though we don't hug).so im just riding it out till we are safer, probably not till theres a vaccine

Nannan2 we are being lead by hypocrites who make up the rules. I have not read one post unless I've missed it where anyone has hugged or kissed another member of thier family. What I have read is common sense being used.
Those with common sense are not responsible for the choices of many who have not bothered with the rules from the get go and more will now flaunt said rules because of the mockery this government have made of them.
Common sense has to be the way forward when Boris can't enforce his own people to follow rules that they themselves have set.

But public loos arent taking a possible virus straight into your AC home-, if you go straight home! If we go out we're advised to shower/change arent we? Or has that gone out the window as well?

Misseseff. I refuse to see common sense as pathetic. Dr Alex George A &E doctor at Lewisham( the one from love island) had a picnic with his girlfriend but of course at a social distance. How nice is That? After working so many pressured hours,?Having a bit of precious time?

So it's OK to use public/supermarkets loos? I have to anyway (with precautions as I mentioned) or I couldn't possibly last till I got back home! I do change my outdoor clothes ad shoes of course but I don't shower and put everything in the wash straight away. Do you?

Love Island?? I rest my case.

Jishere- i never said ANYONE on here was 'hugging or kissing' their families- i stated myself & my 2 youngest had'nt even hugged as i do share a home with them, and although im sure its probably ok to hug the people whom you live with,we have NOT even risked that! Gaw blimey some folk can't interpret what people say anyway!

My two grandchildren 13 and 8 came to see me in my garden two days ago....with their dad...as mum ( my daughter) living away from them in ‘shielded’....first time in 10 weeks...we followed all the rules, they only stayed 30 minutes as well. My 8 year old on leaving came running toward me to try give me a cuddle , I had to stop her in her tracks ....she looked tearful but understood. OUR INSTINCT was to cuddle. So why Mr Cummings thinks his instincts should be allowed free reign, and mine shouldnt have free reign I do t know. Answers on his ‘pin-head’ please!

Exactly Jishere. My daughter has a vast garden, about an acre, and I was able to access it without going through the house. We sat ten feet apart at least throughout the short visit. If she had a postage stamp of a garden I would not have attempted it - I am too concerned for her health to have done anything risky, but we were both so much happier for our meeting. There isn't a 'one size fits all'; if we are not breaking any rules, keeping apart, are outside in the fresh air and washing hands and sanitising, surely the benefits to mental health must be considered too? I have just watched a clip of the beach at Bournemouth today. The media refer to it as 'packed'. As the camera panned across it was obvious that people were keeping at least 2 metres apart. It seems some of these so called 'packed beaches' shots are from last year, and an article demonstrated how the camera can very much lie - two different photos of a queue showed people squashed together when viewed from the front, but a shot taken from the side showed that they were distancing perfectly in line with the regulations. I would like newspaper editors to be held responsible for the muck racking, inflammatory and lying copy they are printing at a time when we need so much better from them.

Bluesky,i couldnt always last without a loo either- i went in supermarket once, (waited till shopping finished) but id disposable gloves on, but washed hands (still in gloves) afterwards& sanitised them and made sure i touched things as little as possible, &opened door with a piece of tissue, then binned that on way out. when i got home, i removed gloves (turning inside out) binned them, then showered & changed before wiping down shopping.Its exhausting! But safer. If you dont want to risk public loos try drinking less before you go out.it may help.

Thanks Nannan only started doing this recently when restrictions have been eased a little. Before I didn't go near a supermarket. But my problem are water tablets, I decided to take them later in the day rather than first thing as I nearly had a nasty accident!

Misseseff what case do you rest that his a guy that went into love island although well known went back to his role after his stint on the show as an A &E doctor it only shows how down to earth and caring this guy is! No case rested common sense rules.

Nannan2 I never said you did I think you have misinterpreted my post. ??

I feel very envious of you being able to see any members of your family. I am totally on your side and can assure you that your risk has been neglible. I live in Devon and my sister and her husband near Manchester have not left the house since March, my only son and only grandson live in Hertfordshire and we were in lockdown when they were due to visit at Easter! No idea when we might see them again and though my son calls every week my grandson is struggling to cope, not seeing friends when you are only 5 is tough. They are also having a loft conversion being done, started before lockdown as it was planned last year, so their garden is out of bounds full of building components and the house is disrupted. He now won't come to the phone so haven't spoken to him in 3 weeks. I hope he can go to school on the 1st.
With all the latest changes to lockdown we have been inundated with visitors ( we love by the coast and nice beaches) some from as far away as Manchester and people illegally staying overnight in dunes and even 4 couples breaking in to a locked up campsite. Traffic wardens ran out of tickets last Wednesday as cars blocked roads in the area. I would say keep safe as best you can and avoid the idiots (like DOMINIC CUMMINGS) who are risking all our health. I trust soon we will all legally be able to visit relatives however far away, if in the UK