National Lockdown to be announced next week?

Jane10

Now I'm scared. I never was before but somehow, this time, I'm worried. DH and I will lockdown without being told to.

I feel more jittery than I did before. I think after reading the BBC information on what the future holds is what is doing it.

Somehow we have to learn to live with this long term, and all I can see is that our lives are contracting to a very different existence.

Jane10

He's not God. It's such a complex area that it's hard for anyone to plot a way through this with complete accuracy. Other countries are in the same state.

No no one would ever accuse Johnson as god, but a competent leader would be a refreshing change.

It must be a total nightmare for shops and hospitality places who, now, have no idea how much to stock. Are they going to be allowed to operate during November, or will they be closed. Many, many of these will never re-open!!!
For older people like myself, lockdown will have little effect on my life - I do not go to work, nor frequent pubs, only eat out in restaurants on special occasions, and only see my local bubble family. My pension gets paid into my bank regardless, and I go out in my car for a once a week visit to the supermarket.
For other, younger people, it can be totally devastating - if they are not able to continue to work, how will they pay their rent or mortgage, how will they feed their families, how will they cope at all financially.
Glad that this time schools and colleges and Uni will remain open. The children and young people (IMO) have been hit the hardest this year. And, for those who do have jobs they can do working from home, child care and ensuring home schooling continued was often near impossible.
It had been strongly suggested to extend the one week half-term to a fortnight and have that as a firebreaker type of lockdown. This suggestion was totally ignored by those who call themselves 'Our Government'.
Whatever they do now, they will still be intent on trying to ensure that December has things open for us to Spend, spend, spend and will want us to have a firebreaker lifting of restrictions over Christmas week so we all can feel that they are so kindly and benevolent.
Do wonder how many people will be more concerned as to how they will provide christmas food and pressies for their children than anything else.
B

I think that we have to come to terms with the fact that Christmas is cancelled, at least when it comes to mixing. Yes, it would have been better to have a national response. What a muddle.

Other countries are in the same state but some manage better than others. As for all the countries on mainland Britain following the same rules, maybe the attached will suggest whose rules we should follow?

Also, statements like "it's a fact that millions die, not thousands" don't help. The WHO estimate just over 1.1 million have died in the whole world. We're in a bad state, but let's not make it sound any worse that it is.

WW2, you got it in one. BJ just couldn't accept that KS had it bang to rights. A lockdown over half term was the ideal as parents would have factored in the childcare for the break. Went on every week at PMQs how KS never said what he would do. Minute he did, he was a political opportunist. Look in the mirror BJ so you can recognise one next time. What BJ wants now is a belated lockdown so he can appear magnanimous when he lets us all visit relatives for Christmas. BJ, Santa already has that job secured. Been in the family for generations.

I agree maddyone, where's the co operation between the 4 UK nations? For that matter, where's the co operation within the EU?
I think it was inevitable and that it will follow the same pattern as last time with a bit of tweaking. Hopefully they will implement the measures that were successful before and discard others.
The scariest thing is how often will this have to keep going on for, this covid isn't going away for a long time.

Week 2 of lockdown here in Wales.
I think we have to accept that lockdowns are going to be the pattern for the foreseeable future.

If schools remain open and you allow grandchildren to be in your bubble, you are effectively allowing approx 30 other children to be in your bubble by association, plus their parents, the teachers and any siblings of the children. Or am I mistaken. For the moment we are not having contact with any family members except our son who is bubbling with us and we see him approx once a week for up to 30 minutes,

After all the covid cases in unis etc wouldn't it be sensible to CLOSE the schools,colleges&unis again, or its still going to be possible to spread it?! Despite them trying to 'protect' the economy by using the schools as free childcare, instead of a genuine place of education, it isnt taking into account the health& safety of all teachers/staff,nor any vulnerable children whom may have underlying health conditions, nor any vulnerable relatives of the children.who are all at higher risk.

We are moving house on the 13th from Wales to England ?

Or find some sort of compromise Nannan and close unis and colleges like they have in France. Primary schools should stay open and years 7, 8 and 9.

When you say 'National', I assume you mean England as Wales, Scotland and NI will have their own agendas.

kwest

If schools remain open and you allow grandchildren to be in your bubble, you are effectively allowing approx 30 other children to be in your bubble by association, plus their parents, the teachers and any siblings of the children. Or am I mistaken. For the moment we are not having contact with any family members except our son who is bubbling with us and we see him approx once a week for up to 30 minutes,

It's my understand this is correct.

Lexisgranny

So it looks as if England will go into lockdown as Wales comes out of the Firebreak, not too sure where the whole of Scotland stands at the moment. Wonder which route will be the most effective?

I was just thinking the same, Lexisgranny.
Unless Mr Drakeford decides to extend the 'firebreak'.

Primary schools and years 7 and 8 will return here on Monday and older pupils from the week after, but we await further news.

As usual Boris is playing catch-up, he just does not listen to advice. A complete in competent fool of a leader. We have already put ourselves in lockdown and back to jigsaw puzzles and reading. Shame after I have just bought a new electric bike.

Wow Im sorry to hear this poor England it feels like this is just going around in circles, I’m in NZ and we are pretty good here at the moment. How long will you go into lockdown for?

There's no co-operation between the 4 nations of the UK because Johnson is offering no leadership at all. Lucky Scotland, Wales and NI to have leaders who care about the wellbeing of their citizens rather than a petulant overgrown infant who wouldn't lockdown earlier because the leader of the opposition suggested that we should have a circuit breaker, as recommended by SAGE on 21st September.

As usual we have no details because the news has been broken by a 'leak' to favoured newspapers and we apparently have to wait for them until Monday when the glorious leader will address the nation...

In the meantime, no doubt, supermarkets will be stripped of toilet rolls and pasta..

I don't think this lockdown is going to be as effective as the spring one because a) there won't be such a high level of compliance and b) schools (and unis) are one of the key areas of spread of the virus at the moment and the govt is apparently planning to keep them open. c) people are worried sick about their financial situation. If Sunak doesn't come up with a good and comprehensive support plan there could be a lot of businesses and workers defying the lockdown..

maddyone

At this time it would have made sense for the three countries on mainland Britain to have acted as one, and for NI to have acted along with Southern Ireland. But that’s cooperation, so that would never happen!

There may be more chance if this now they’ve ALL found out how difficult it is to make a decision that everyone will adhere to.
Even NS couldn’t stop the virus and she was so certain that she would ‘get it right’.
The cooperation you suggest would have to be accompanied by cooperation from the
‘I know how to do it better’ and ‘you can’t tell me what to do’ sections of the population.
Likelihood of that happening . . .

I’m so glad I live in Wales as we are two weeks ahead in the fight. There was a thread on here last week doubting the wisdom of the Welsh Government’s decision - they were right.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We are in unchartered waters and who knows what the ' right' action is. The Labour Party only have to criticise decisions made by the government without the need to make any....what would they really do to appease everyone. Unfortunately party politics is always at the for front of all discussions. I noticed on the TV this morning the mayor of Middlesbrough (independent) discussing the area going into tier 3 of lockdown. How measured and thoughtful was his interview compared to interviews or should I say rants of the mayor of Manchester(labour), Has someone got his eye on No. 10!!!!!

It won't be forever Barmey. You'll get out on that bike!
I really wish the whole UK worked to a united set of rules rather than the confusing hotch potch we have now.

Being indoors with anyone ( other than those you live with) seems to be the most risky thing to do, which is why I am avoiding it, apart from a quick whizz round Aldi either first thing or late at night.

I don’t think I can stand any more homeschooling my 14 year old - and I have only just got rid of my 3rd year Uni student to Leeds. Just want that shower scene from dynasty - 2020 has all been a dream - and Bobby is fine ??

I told college im concerned,as my son is vulnerable due to his disabilities & neurological&respiratory conditions, when he catches any bug at all it makes him very ill, (he got one first wk back in september,was ill 3wks, but not covid thank God!) I asked if he could work online but their answer was no! I explained we all 3 in our house have underlying conditions, but all they said was he could take rest of year out and "start again" next year- so in effect cancelling/losing the work hes already put in (whilst at risk) for this year, or to go back and take the health risks! (He's not a 'typical' teen he doesn't go out socialising, & is very careful to use ppe,hand gel etc. i explained it all to them!) But still no joy, but all of a sudden theres online learning till 9th november- but then i presume they expect him back in! Its bloody ridiculous! At least before there was a chance to 'shield' but now gov't changed that advice thousands of people are going to feel very vulnerable indeed!