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Not included in DS/DIL & GS Christmas bubble

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grannylancs Thu 26-Nov-20 17:23:20

Hello,

Following the latest announcement I contacted my DIL's mum to ask if this meant we were seeing them at xmas, to which she replied saying probably not as she has 2 other adult children to consider as well as DIL/DD (other adult children have no kids).

So I contacted DS asking what the plans were for over xmas and he didn't reply for a day then said they weren't sure as they will be going to DIL family for xmas. We have no other children so we were quite upset and explained this, when DIL family have other company.
They said that it was DIL family turn last year but they couldnt go as GS had a surgery so they had to isolate, so they are going this year. Also they haven't seen DIL brothers at all since March and GS is only just 1 so this is a big chunk of his life.

I pushed again that this meant we would be alone and they pointed out we should see my DM as they wouldn't be able to. Because I was upset DH rang to have 'a word' with DS and they ended up arguing and it came out that they don't trust us to be honest about when we were ill because last year we visited with the start of the cold and DIL got ill and it caused trouble for GS planned surgery (he is all well now, the surgery solved his issues). Also I got told off for messaging DIL's mum (who we are friendly with but only see for family party etc) as they said i was trying to guilt trip her.
Should we be punished for having a cold last year?! As I feel this is what it comes down to. I'm very upset and feel this is all DIL doing to see her own family.

Is anyone else being excluded like this? Please advise as we don't want to spend christmas alone.

Lucca Fri 27-Nov-20 23:25:27

Hi Iam64........parallel universe isn’t in it.

BazingaGranny Sat 28-Nov-20 00:19:23

I am very sorry that you are upset about Christmas, but I think that you behaved very ill-advisedly last year, when you visited your family twice with a cold, within a short period of tine, despite knowing that surgery was planned.

I developed adult onset asthma after a serious dose of double pneumonia 5 years ago, and the respiratory consultant, a professor, advised me to try to keep away in future from anyone with a cold or a chest infection. If you had come to my house with a cold, I would have gone out, or at the very least gone upstairs until you had left, and so couldn’t cough or sneeze over me!

Before asthma, I would have thought this was a huge over reaction, but the ghastliness of not being able to breathe at times has made me very cautious. The professor said when I told her that my grandchildren have endless colds that it was because school and nursery staff didn’t put enough emphasis on washing hands, and she was right! And yes I do see them frequently but no, not in their very infectious stages.

You said you went twice with the same cold, and are surprised that they now don’t trust you not to take another infection into their house. I think you have a lot of making up to do, with less blaming others for your actions, and (if you are a real poster, and others have suggested that you may not be) I think you could perhaps take a long look at yourself and your quite self centred point of view.

I do very much hope you will have a good Christmas, with many joyful and lovely times with your family in the future but I think you need to be more realistic in your view of what is happening and why. Sorry, this sounds VERY tough, but colds and other URTIs can be so problematic to so many people. ? ? ?

SDuncan Sat 28-Nov-20 07:25:25

Hi Everyone
I,m also a new poster but had to write something after reading your post Pesty One it was so moving + I really admire your strength for still being able to "get on with it" after all life has thrown at you , it sounds like you have a lot to offer + hopefully next year will be a good one for you sending Big Hugs + lots +best wishes for 2021.flowers

SDuncan Sat 28-Nov-20 07:27:09

Oops didn't mean to give my name ! ! It's nannysue from now on grin

M0nica Sat 28-Nov-20 08:14:07

Once our children grow up and, especially once they partner and have children, our tie to them is broken. We can no longer control their relationship with us and the ball is in their court.

Keep acting and feeling like you do now and your children will slowly and gradually distance themselves from their emotionally needy and demanding parent. Let them go, be willing to work to with them towards a happy relationship and they will want to stay close. Your son is now part of two families and life between both is a constant balancing act.

When I was in your son's position DH and I were meticulous in balancing time between our two families, yet my mother stll thought we favoured DH's family over mine.

Now, our DS has DiL's family on the doorstep while we live 200 miles away. I have let DS organise when they will visit etc and as a result we have them down here a lot, and even during COVID, as soon as there slightest relaxation of rules, like this summer, they were with us the following day.

Fecklar Sat 28-Nov-20 08:28:02

My estranged son always had his father ( my ex) for Christmas. I have been excluded since he was 25 and he is now in his 40s. However I have always spent Christmas day with my daughter as she says I shouldn't have to spend it alone. My son on the other hand now has no father to have over at Christmas ( died in Feb) so he can get on with it. I'm sorry I don't know what to advise xx

Shropshirelass Sat 28-Nov-20 09:08:35

I don’t mind having Christmas on my own. Especially this year with the virus still prevalent. Maybe it is just our family but it just causes too much stress. We used to have lovely family Christmases but that has all changed now plus, I have had a few issues with my sister during the last 2 years, she doesn’t like my DH (feeling is mutual) so I have no desire to spend any time with her. My children live over the border and are unable to travel as they have livestock to care for. Maybe I am being cynical with age but I just want a peaceful life.

BlueBelle Sat 28-Nov-20 09:40:06

SDuncan you need to ask HQ to change your name as soon as, because you will be recognised if you use your own name and things can get posted in the newspapers etc etc

By the way welcome

FannyCornforth Sat 28-Nov-20 09:48:27

You'll be lucky if nannysue is available as a username!

FarNorth Sat 28-Nov-20 10:41:35

So now I have to be jabbed with a unknown vaccine before I see GS. I guess, looking at this post, I will have to take what I can get.
Thanks everyone, especially the people who seem to think I purposefully went round to infect my GS last year.

No-one said you wanted to infect the baby.
We did say that you should have stayed away rather than risk passing on infection.

Even now, you are failing to see your son's point of view.
He and his wife are afraid that they may become infected with covid because of your thoughtlessness and selfishness.
That could easily happen - going by your own description of yourself - so they are wise to stay away from you.

I guess you just have a negative and selfish personality and can't really change that, but at least try to cut out the moaning (like your remarks about the vaccine, above).

Beachwriter Sat 28-Nov-20 10:47:18

I guessed the government with its heroic saving of Christmas would cause more heartache for those who were vulnerable to loneliness. Personally, I'm fine - large extended family - but I do feel for those without any human contact.

Lucca Sat 28-Nov-20 10:48:56

Might be time to stop this thread? I personally don’t believe it’s a genuine one. Nobody of our sort of age could act in such a spoilt and demanding way surely ?

Lucca Sat 28-Nov-20 10:49:58

Beachwriter

I guessed the government with its heroic saving of Christmas would cause more heartache for those who were vulnerable to loneliness. Personally, I'm fine - large extended family - but I do feel for those without any human contact.

If OP happens to be real, she is not alone at all. She has a husband....poor chap

FarNorth Sat 28-Nov-20 10:53:12

Singlegram you say you dare not complain - don't think of complaining, then.
If looking after your grandchild is getting too much for you, then say so without complaining.
Do you invite your son and family to visit at other times, as they spend Xmas etc with his wife's family?

You say you can relate to grannylancs's post. Perhaps some of the advice given to her could be useful to you too.

Summerlove Sat 28-Nov-20 11:28:43

Lucca

Might be time to stop this thread? I personally don’t believe it’s a genuine one. Nobody of our sort of age could act in such a spoilt and demanding way surely ?

Oh sweet naive lucca.
I know many more people like this than I’d like.

In my experience it’s almost always been the older generations that are spoiled and selfish like this. Very used to using manipulation to get what they want.

The younger people had to learn it from someone!

Lucca Sat 28-Nov-20 11:39:34

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GagaJo Sat 28-Nov-20 11:44:59

I don't think it's real either.

* Out for coffee and shopping weekly.
* Went to visit a newborn, health compromised baby with a cold.
*Wants a family that isolates to include them, while they refuse to isolate.
* Despite all the above risk taking, doesn't want a vaccine despite all the testing that's being done.

Basically, wants to do whatever they want with no concessions and is upset when a vulnerable family take protective measures.

Kryptonite Sat 28-Nov-20 12:19:50

Whether it's real or not, I am shocked at the judgemental attitudes and vitriol of so many people and notice one post has been removed. I think some people go too far, which is not helpful. If the poster is real, I hope they will focus on the wisdom of the more understanding pieces of advice. Makes me wonder whether I want to stay on this site any more.

Madgran77 Sat 28-Nov-20 12:21:28

Nobody of our sort of age could act in such a spoilt and demanding way surely ?

Hmmm! I'm afraid that is not the case

Madgran77 Sat 28-Nov-20 12:22:39

In my experience it’s almost always been the older generations that are spoiled and selfish like this. Very used to using manipulation to get what they want.

Also not the case in my experience

FarNorth Sat 28-Nov-20 12:26:10

Older generations are just people who have got older.
They have the same range of personalities as everyone else.

sodapop Sat 28-Nov-20 12:30:28

Exactly FarNorth. I think its time to wind up this thread as well, can't really be any more to say.

Summerlove Sat 28-Nov-20 13:40:25

GagaJo

I don't think it's real either.

* Out for coffee and shopping weekly.
* Went to visit a newborn, health compromised baby with a cold.
*Wants a family that isolates to include them, while they refuse to isolate.
* Despite all the above risk taking, doesn't want a vaccine despite all the testing that's being done.

Basically, wants to do whatever they want with no concessions and is upset when a vulnerable family take protective measures.

Rings very true to me!

Maybe my friends and I all had horrible family members when we had young children!

Summerlove Sat 28-Nov-20 13:41:36

Madgran77

*In my experience it’s almost always been the older generations that are spoiled and selfish like this. Very used to using manipulation to get what they want.*

Also not the case in my experience

that’s why I said in my experience. I realise many are lucky to have not seen this.

OurKid1 Sat 28-Nov-20 14:24:09

Grannylancs - just imagine they changed their minds, invited you (and your mum who is on her own), one of you (your mum maybe or the baby?) was infected with Covid and needed intensive care. How would you feel then?

Yes, I know the same could happen with their current arrangements, but still ... food for thought maybe?