Vaccinations from next week

Alegrias2

trisher

Alegrias2 Why do my posts bother you? Have I posted anything which is untrue or which isn't backed up by evidence? Don't you think knowledge matters?
It isn't pessimistic to look at all the factors involved and it's certainly not pessimistic to warn about the measures which will need to remain in place even after people are vaccinated. Or to wonder how successful a mass vaccination will be with so many unknowns. You may choose to walk into a situation without knowledge if you wish but some of us prefer to investigate and use our brains.

What bothers me is the effect your continual doubts have in people who may be nervous about vaccines. Every little thing adds to the concern, even when they are not relevant. For instance the polio vaccine, which has been around for decades. You have cast doubt on the amazing scientific advances this vaccine represents and you have undermined the work that is going on to plan and execute a vaccination program that will save countless lives and allow us to start getting back to normal.

As for knowledge and not using my brain? Well I'll take solace from the fact that I'm the one with the PhD in a science subject and 20 years experience as a technical project manager. Don't preach to me about knowledge and investigation, you really have no idea.

What a patronising post!

Nobody needs a PhD to understand what happened today - just open eyes and a reasonable brain.

Frankly, I find your attitude disappointing.

MayBee70

Wouldn’t it have just been better all round if the Medicines Agency and all the scientists had been able to just stay in London? It was pretty much baked in that leaving the EU would result in the medicines agency moving to mainland Europe straight away. We were told that by a group of scientists who were members of the Conservative Party.

I'm not sure that's really relevant. The MHRA, which always existed alongside the EMA, has done a good job. Matt
Hancock lied about Brexit being a factor in the UK's approval of the vaccine. We did exactly what we always could have done and, in any case, the regulatory framework of the EU is still in place until 31 December.

He and some other Conservative MPs cynically attempted to turn a day of celebration into a political football. Maybe it was an attempt to distract from the fact that the long-held promise to prioritise care home residents wouldn't be kept. They all must have known about the logistics problems before today.

JenniferEccles

I have also read your posts Urms on the (dare I say it?!!) Brexit thread.

Boris has played a blinder, hasn’t he?

I feel as excited tonight as I did on the night of the General Election last December when it became apparent that Boris was on course for a landslide victory.

In what way has Johnson played a blinder? What on earth are you going on about?

Casdon

Why today do the doubters feel they must rain on the parade when it was so clear the post was to celebrate?

I expect I'm included in this group of "doubters". No, I'm not. I have every faith in the scientists who have achieved so much and I'll have the vaccine as soon as it's my turn.

If people can't see that the government has over-promised and misled people, I really despair. I was celebrating this morning, but it very quickly became clear that the government was using the moment for its own purpose. I'm angry and upset at what it's done.

No my comments weren’t directed at you growstuff - I wasn’t making any political points at all, certainly not in support of the government, who have in my opinion managed the whole Covid situation very badly, but I do trust the scientists’ reassurances that the vaccine is safe, and I’m frustrated that there’s so little faith in the ability of the NHS to deliver the vaccine, when they have been planning for months how to deliver such an unprecedented scale of operation.

There have been lots of other posts on here about the vaccine, where the vaccine doubters (and to be frank, the nutcases) have dominated the conversation, and I just thought that for once it would be good to allow those who are pro vaccine celebrate the good news without all that noise, given that it was clear from the title of the post that was what it aimed to do.

Boris has played a blinder???? How ? Oh I see - he personally developed the life saving vaccine. I thought he was a classics student not a science graduate.

Shame this potentially cheering and positive thread contains not only selfish comments about waiting and seeing but some silly crowing about Brexit.

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2montana I have reported your post as Fake.

We have enough fake/ lies being told to us without people adding to them.

trisher asked me what bothered me about her posts growstuff, and I told her. Never said I knew better than her.

She also suggested that I was not using my brain, that I didn't value knowledge or investigation. Well people can argue and disagree with me all they like about Brexit, Scottish independence, the best way to cook scones, whatever. All matters of opinion.

But nobody, nobody at all, gets to tell me I don't value knowledge and that I'm not using my brain. Especially not people who think Googling is equivalent to a lifetime of experience, and who don't listen to the explanations they are given about things. Standing up for myself, defending myself against these insults is not patronising.

That’s ok but just listen to it. Won’t cost anything,

I have done??????

People are so gullible aren’t they?

Or so stupid they will line up for and accept any lie told to them by their gov. Good luck with your vac. You might need it.

Chicken noodle soup indeed !!,

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2montana

Or so stupid they will line up for and accept any lie told to them by their gov. Good luck with your vac. You might need it.

And good luck if you get Covid. You might need it.

I talk to many people about this subject and I am yet to find anyone who even knows of anyone who has had it. And I also note the absence of normal flu season this year. I haven’t had so much as a cold this year . Just saying. Why not think for yourselves.

Those who say we should wait and see, be sceptical and anxious about possible side effects, remember the complexities involved in rolling out such a huge vaccination programme, seem to believe they know more than the rest of us do.
Many of us, by this stage in our lives, will know a bit about the risks associated with medical intervention. Some of us may have reacted badly to some meds but responded brilliantly to others. I'm one of them. I'm prepared to be part of the vaccination programme with the hope that I can live a more normal life again. Hug my children and grandchildren, see my friends, go on holiday. If I react badly, so be it. I hope others will benefit from the research that will go alongside the programme.

2montana

I talk to many people about this subject and I am yet to find anyone who even knows of anyone who has had it. And I also note the absence of normal flu season this year. I haven’t had so much as a cold this year . Just saying. Why not think for yourselves.

Dont be ridiculous

Apologies up front if this has been mentioned in previous posts. I know there are some amongst us who gets prickly about this, but I don't have the time to read 13 pages.
When the vaccination programme is underway will we get a card or certificate of some kind to prove we have been vaccinated? I have read that some venues such as theatres, restaurants, sporting venues etc may refuse entry to those who have not been vaccinated.

Are GNHQ going to monitor forums for postings of conspiracy theories about the vaccine and dangerous Covid denials?

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Lucca

Are GNHQ going to monitor forums for postings of conspiracy theories about the vaccine and dangerous Covid denials?

I report any I see and they have been taken down..

Don’t suppose they are up yet???

Whatdayisit

If i received a call tonight to go for the vaccination within the hour i would be there in a flash.
I had covid in April and have sufferred very debilitating health problems since. Any adverse affects from the vaccine can't be as bad as death or long term effects from Covid.
My youngest daughter had the 'rushed through' cervical cancer innoculation when it first came out. She has had stomach problems ever since which could be linked. So i do understand the worry but i just think what is the alternative.

I feel we owe it to society to step up and be vaccinated. People who are going to wait and see how it goes first must be in a lucky position where keeping away from the virus has been an option. I am a careworker and i am just desperate for my charge with learning difficulties and autism to be able to get back into his routine. Not understanding these last few months has been very stressful and quite despairing for him. We work very hard for people with disabilities to have their life within a society which isn't always welcoming to them. This year has plunged so many people to feel isolated but people with learning disabilities cannot reason why there lives have changed so abruptly and so much.
Fingers crossed for a smooth delivery , a high uptake and a successful battle against this damn virus.
Then the country can start the clean up and recovery and we will see what future is left for our grandchildren. At least the vaccine is hope where once there was none.

What a lovely, positive post. I have an autistic grandson, so I understand what you are saying. This awful virus won't magically disappear of it's own accord so we either kowtow to it and live our lives the way we have for the past months (no, thanks) or we fight it. I sincerely hope your charge will soon be back to his safe place in life. Good luck.

2montana

I talk to many people about this subject and I am yet to find anyone who even knows of anyone who has had it. And I also note the absence of normal flu season this year. I haven’t had so much as a cold this year . Just saying. Why not think for yourselves.

If there are fewer cases of flu, this could well reflect the greater observance of hygiene measures and the reduction in opportunities to socialise.