You couldn't make this up could you? Wonder how they voted... Elderly Britons are REFUSING Pfizer's vaccine because they'd rather 'wait for the English one' | Daily Mail Online

I do not remember seeing it. But reason tells me that since so many people receiving the vaccine on a daily basis at present are in the over 80 age group, the number of such refuseniks must be very small indeed and there are plenty of younger people saying they will refuse the vaccine for far less vaild reasons (that does not mean this reason is valid, just more rational)

Thanks Monica I find the sneering at particular papers or media worrying, it comes from all angles, the sneering about lefty BBC, etc. All forms of media have their bias and faults, and its good to be aware of it, but dismissing things because they appear in a particular source is worrying.

Galaxy

Thanks Monica I find the sneering at particular papers or media worrying, it comes from all angles, the sneering about lefty BBC, etc. All forms of media have their bias and faults, and its good to be aware of it, but dismissing things because they appear in a particular source is worrying.

It's been interesting to watch some CNN along with Ch4, Sky and BBC coverage of events in Washington.

I quite like CNN, we have watched quite a bit of it lately. I find the whole attack on the media, and it comes from all sides, very trumpian.

I do not remember seeing it
MOnica I posted a link to it on page 1 of this thread.
Here it is again.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9121869/Elderly-Britons-REFUSING-Pfizers-vaccine-theyd-wait-English-one.html

I'm rather more concerned about the number of young women I've heard saying they won't take the vaccine. They have been convinced that the vaccine may cause infertility in women. This is based on misinformation from two scientists involved in early tests of the vaccine, who found it caused a spike in a hormone linked to the placenta. It's now been confirmed that yes there is a brief spike but no long term risk. (apologies for my non scientific description )

M0nica

I do not remember seeing it. But reason tells me that since so many people receiving the vaccine on a daily basis at present are in the over 80 age group, the number of such refuseniks must be very small indeed and there are plenty of younger people saying they will refuse the vaccine for far less vaild reasons (that does not mean this reason is valid, just more rational)

It's claimed that these people refused the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine because it's foreign and want the AstraZeneca/Oxford one because it's British. That's the issue here. It's not about refusing vaccines per se. It's nonsense, of course, because AstraZeneca is a British/Swedish company and the scientists who have collaborated on all the vaccines come from all sorts of different national backgrounds.

Iam64

I'm rather more concerned about the number of young women I've heard saying they won't take the vaccine. They have been convinced that the vaccine may cause infertility in women. This is based on misinformation from two scientists involved in early tests of the vaccine, who found it caused a spike in a hormone linked to the placenta. It's now been confirmed that yes there is a brief spike but no long term risk. (apologies for my non scientific description )

I'm not too bothered about them. It will be many months before it's their turn and public opinion and evidence on efficacy might very well have changed by then. As it hasn't been established whether any vaccine stops transmission, the only people who will be affected are those who refuse to be vaccinated.

biba70

I only meant to post the link without her comment on the matter, but, as I agree with her, that is OK.

As said, only meant to post the link to the DM friend sent me, without her comment- which did turn out to be a red rag to some people.

And yes, some of you seem to be blissfully aware that there are many sites currently to encourage people to Buy British only. One here, on GN, which has been fair and informative. Sadly, most of those sites have turned out to be very unpleasant and full of people who 'don't want to buy any of this foreign muck' - with very unpleasant, nationalistic/jingoisitc sentiments, and anyone questionning such being insulted and worse. I am not on any of them, thank goodness- but I have seen posts which have been reported- and they are scary, and some pretty ignorant too. And yes, like it or not, it is all linked to the events of the last few years in the UK- there is no denying that. Well, you can deny it- if you wish, but the links are there and very clear.

blissfully UNaware...

(back to Tea with Mussolini- you may not get it, but this is OK).

Here's another link to what the doctor actually said. The comment about patients "waiting for the English one" was only a small part of it.

www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/vaccines-demands-nhs-morale-teesside-19584172

Well, I started to read the link but when the MP started talking about your nan and your grandad having the vaccine, I switched off what he had to say.
How patronising, as if he is only addressing the younger age groups and your nan and your grandad are too old and senile to be addressed directly.
"Do they take sugar"?

This is possibly the worst, and nastiest, thread title I have yet seen in Gransnet. I’m off to find that Guardian article on Happiness.

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It's sensationalism at its worst!

Ah, here we go again. Bullying because we don't like what someone has posted.

How about if those of us that hated the Meghan and Harry threads had started to get as abusive as some of the posters on threads they have disliked over the last couple of weeks?

I really hope it is just the covid fear effect, because some otherwise nice people are dangerously close to becoming bullies.

biba70

biba70

I only meant to post the link without her comment on the matter, but, as I agree with her, that is OK.

As said, only meant to post the link to the DM friend sent me, without her comment- which did turn out to be a red rag to some people.

And yes, some of you seem to be blissfully aware that there are many sites currently to encourage people to Buy British only. One here, on GN, which has been fair and informative. Sadly, most of those sites have turned out to be very unpleasant and full of people who 'don't want to buy any of this foreign muck' - with very unpleasant, nationalistic/jingoisitc sentiments, and anyone questionning such being insulted and worse. I am not on any of them, thank goodness- but I have seen posts which have been reported- and they are scary, and some pretty ignorant too. And yes, like it or not, it is all linked to the events of the last few years in the UK- there is no denying that. Well, you can deny it- if you wish, but the links are there and very clear.

I cannot understand why you seem to enjoy being scandalised by internet sites or red top newspapers which nobody is forcing you to access.
If a site is ignored it is impotent. If nobody reads a crap newspaper, it is effectively silenced. Have you not heard of “denying them the oxygen of publicity” ?
If the idea is to encourage the public to Buy British why is that not a good thing to stimulate the economy ?
There have been many times in history when it was deemed desirable, even patriotic (eg WWII) to support British manufacture and discourage imports.
Does anybody else remember the “I’m backing Britain” campaign of I think the Sixties.
Or what about “Shop Local” - anything wrong with that?
Quite honestly I fail to see the problem - if there are unacceptable sites the obvious thing is to ignore them, not draw attention to them and if reducing our imports helps our own manufacturers - so what?
A good Montgomery’s Cheddar anyone - or a Somerset Brie?

And other comment that borders on bullying.

Is it a deliberate attempt to drive a certain poster away from Gransnet?

I suppose at 76 I could be classed as elderly - I don't care which one I get!! I just want any available!!

That's what it is starting to look like GagaJo

Thank you Ilovecheese. I am not sure why. Most of those concerned are usually OK.

Disagreeing with someone and pointing out flaws in their arguments isn’t bullying, Gagajo.
If you’ve seen bullying comments on this thread, why don’t you call them out directly instead of making oblique references?

It is the Daily Mail that has sensationalise this.

What I do find odd that it is a disgraceful, right-wing rag to many on here but the voice of truth if it suits an agenda.

Disagreeing with another poster is allowed is it not?
Even questioning a source of information is allowed, more often than not if that source is the DM.

If this is the criteria applied to accusations of bullying or deliberately attempting to drive another poster away then there must be examples galore on all the threads, particularly the political ones.

Trying to rationalise and in fact trying to extrapolate the many references to Buying British on threads is not easy either. One moment it is A Good Thing, the next something to be despised, often by the same posters.

I only but British now, have done for a while ( English actually, as much as possible )
Given the choice I’d take the Oxford vaccine - can’t see anything wrong in that.

Personally I'll be very grateful to receive any vaccine, no matter where it hails from. If other people choose to wait for a specific vaccine, that's there problem. But this topic has thrown up something that I'm a bit uncomfortable with: is anyone who is openly supportive of the Buy British, or I'm Backing Britain campaign perceived as xenophobic or displaying "nationalistic/jingoisitc sentiments"? When did being patriotic become something to be ashamed or embarrassed about? There most definitely ARE websites that support and promote xenophobia, not just in this country but globally, but why go looking for them? Why look at something that is so upsetting and repellent and then give them free advertising by relaying their rantings to all and sundry? Not good for your own peace of mind or mental health.