You couldn't make this up could you? Wonder how they voted... Elderly Britons are REFUSING Pfizer's vaccine because they'd rather 'wait for the English one' | Daily Mail Online

I am fortunate to have a local butcher and farm shop for the majority of my fresh food purchases.

Anyone interested in the state of planet earth should consider food miles surely?

Wanting to support UK businesses is not xenophobic or nationalist.

Kandinsky, NOTHING wrong with arguing about the TOPIC of a thread. But to turn to comments about the poster is not acceptable.

I'll be first in the queue when either vaccine is offered. If I had a preference, it would be the AZ, but only because my son took part in the clinical trials and it would be nice to have this one knowing he participated in its success.

I hope I'm not being unkind

Perhaps a tad exasperated? There is nothing much more to say about what is essentially a non-story.

But if we disagree, perhaps we should not post.

I try to buy local, buy English and buy as many products as possible that are made in the UK. Nothing wrong with supporting UK firms when you can do.
I expect citizens of all other countries do much the same.

GagaJo

If a poster starts the same sort of threads all the time - anti brexit, anti government etc, ( or vice versa ) - then they are basically wanting an argument with people who think the opposite - that’s how forums work. If I didn’t like the answers I was continually getting from the same people, I’d stop starting controversial threads in all honesty. And I’m certain that if a thread was completely ignored the poster wouldn’t be happy, as quite often they are looking for a ‘heated debate’

I’m not talking about this thread in particular - just my general observations over many years on talk forums.

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We will have to agree to differ, Gagajo.
I don’t see how you can put a limit on the number of times you can disagree with what a particular poster has written, or police which other posters hold similar views, and also disagree with someone.

Exactly Chewbacca ?
I will certainly report comments if a poster goes too far, far better than long spats that go on and on.

I know I should Chewbacca, but really, to trawl through threads doing a report each time... These are adult women.

I agree with you to some extent GagaJo, there was a very explicit example of one poster continually hounding and bullying another poster on another thread last night. Thankfully deleted now. Report if you have concerns.

Do you have no shame Poppyred?

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It is fine to disagree with a post, but when it is the same people on several threads, doing the same thing aiming it at a POSTER instead, it is not on.

I know we are all stressed and anxious. But unkindness is beneath us.

Personally I'll be very grateful to receive any vaccine, no matter where it hails from. If other people choose to wait for a specific vaccine, that's there problem. But this topic has thrown up something that I'm a bit uncomfortable with: is anyone who is openly supportive of the Buy British, or I'm Backing Britain campaign perceived as xenophobic or displaying "nationalistic/jingoisitc sentiments"? When did being patriotic become something to be ashamed or embarrassed about? There most definitely ARE websites that support and promote xenophobia, not just in this country but globally, but why go looking for them? Why look at something that is so upsetting and repellent and then give them free advertising by relaying their rantings to all and sundry? Not good for your own peace of mind or mental health.

I only but British now, have done for a while ( English actually, as much as possible )
Given the choice I’d take the Oxford vaccine - can’t see anything wrong in that.

It is the Daily Mail that has sensationalise this.

What I do find odd that it is a disgraceful, right-wing rag to many on here but the voice of truth if it suits an agenda.

Disagreeing with another poster is allowed is it not?
Even questioning a source of information is allowed, more often than not if that source is the DM.

If this is the criteria applied to accusations of bullying or deliberately attempting to drive another poster away then there must be examples galore on all the threads, particularly the political ones.

Trying to rationalise and in fact trying to extrapolate the many references to Buying British on threads is not easy either. One moment it is A Good Thing, the next something to be despised, often by the same posters.

Disagreeing with someone and pointing out flaws in their arguments isn’t bullying, Gagajo.
If you’ve seen bullying comments on this thread, why don’t you call them out directly instead of making oblique references?

Thank you Ilovecheese. I am not sure why. Most of those concerned are usually OK.

That's what it is starting to look like GagaJo

I suppose at 76 I could be classed as elderly - I don't care which one I get!! I just want any available!!

Is it a deliberate attempt to drive a certain poster away from Gransnet?

And other comment that borders on bullying.

biba70

biba70

I only meant to post the link without her comment on the matter, but, as I agree with her, that is OK.

As said, only meant to post the link to the DM friend sent me, without her comment- which did turn out to be a red rag to some people.

And yes, some of you seem to be blissfully aware that there are many sites currently to encourage people to Buy British only. One here, on GN, which has been fair and informative. Sadly, most of those sites have turned out to be very unpleasant and full of people who 'don't want to buy any of this foreign muck' - with very unpleasant, nationalistic/jingoisitc sentiments, and anyone questionning such being insulted and worse. I am not on any of them, thank goodness- but I have seen posts which have been reported- and they are scary, and some pretty ignorant too. And yes, like it or not, it is all linked to the events of the last few years in the UK- there is no denying that. Well, you can deny it- if you wish, but the links are there and very clear.

I cannot understand why you seem to enjoy being scandalised by internet sites or red top newspapers which nobody is forcing you to access.
If a site is ignored it is impotent. If nobody reads a crap newspaper, it is effectively silenced. Have you not heard of “denying them the oxygen of publicity” ?
If the idea is to encourage the public to Buy British why is that not a good thing to stimulate the economy ?
There have been many times in history when it was deemed desirable, even patriotic (eg WWII) to support British manufacture and discourage imports.
Does anybody else remember the “I’m backing Britain” campaign of I think the Sixties.
Or what about “Shop Local” - anything wrong with that?
Quite honestly I fail to see the problem - if there are unacceptable sites the obvious thing is to ignore them, not draw attention to them and if reducing our imports helps our own manufacturers - so what?
A good Montgomery’s Cheddar anyone - or a Somerset Brie?

Ah, here we go again. Bullying because we don't like what someone has posted.

How about if those of us that hated the Meghan and Harry threads had started to get as abusive as some of the posters on threads they have disliked over the last couple of weeks?

I really hope it is just the covid fear effect, because some otherwise nice people are dangerously close to becoming bullies.