Son and wife not having the vaccination

I think it should be compulsory for health and care staff to have them too.

I see that take-up of the vaccines has been 95% among the over-50s, so obviously not many people are bothered.

My guess is, that your family has done lots of research and come to the same decision as me.

What does this ‘lots of research’ consist of. Google? Then picking the bits that support your beliefs no matter how inaccurate and non-scientific?

We regularly do things every day that are a far greater risk than a Covid vaccine. Fortunately, anti-vaxxers are a small minority although they make a lot of noise.

I have been giving the vaccines since the programme started and am pleased to be able to report that of the hundreds who I have vaccinated, I can count those who expressed concern on the fingers of one hand. The vast majority are relieved and grateful to be getting their vaccinations.

I don’t want to be mixing with people who haven't had the vaccine, it’s not much to ask of anyone is it? I think it’s selfish not to. I just hope that pubs and venues will not admit anyone without proof they have had it, all those in contact with the public should. Let’s hope that those that choose not to have it continue not mixing.

CafeAuLait

You need to be free to decide what to do about socialising with people who have or haven't had the vaccine, just as people are free to decide whether or not to have the vaccine. If you've had yours and feel confident with it, you could meet them, or meet them in a place outdoors, if that makes you feel safer.

I'm not eligible for the vaccine at this time and I'm a bit concerned about being around people who have had the vaccine. If they still can get Covid but not have symptoms, I feel that puts me at risk of exposure. I'm not going around worrying but I'm also not putting myself in a position to risk exposure. I might stick to outdoor meetings with people, vaccinated or not, for now.

Wow, just wow!

My husband & I don't want the vaccine either. We are not anti-vaxers but we are really dubious about this one. It has not been licenced for use yet, which is a 2 year process. Ok, fine. There are genetic modifications in it, something that I don't trust. I don't want to get an illness 5 /10 years down the line as a direct consequence of the jab. Why can't one sue big pharma is another issue.

The idea behind mRNA vaccines is that by tricking your body into creating the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, your immune system will produce antibodies in response. But what happens if you turn your body into a viral protein factory and therefore the antibody production activated on a continual basis with no ability to shut down? Would we develop other diseases or cancers or.....?

There are other things too but I'm not going to go into any more details.

Sadly if DH's company pushes for 'no jab no job' policy - where do we stand. It is a human right to have a jab as well as a human right not to have the jab. Can we take it to a court of law, or court of human rights?

I've been reading an interesting article about the Nuremburg code. For me it is indeed food for thought.

Having said all the above - I respect those who decide to have the vaccine and I understand the reasons why. In my case, I'd rather not have it at this time.

I know a young man of 25, who works for the police, who developed covid last April so in the very early days. He was in hospital but then returned home. Even after a year he has not properly recovered, has several health problems, including great fatigue and has been off work ever since.
It's a dreadful disease.
I am so grateful that I and my family have had the vaccine.

I’ve had the first dose but the second isn’t until mid June. Anyone know how just one dose would protect, just curious ? It was astra Zeneca. They don’t tell you much here about that sort of thing.

Grammaretto

I know a young man of 25, who works for the police, who developed covid last April so in the very early days. He was in hospital but then returned home. Even after a year he has not properly recovered, has several health problems, including great fatigue and has been off work ever since.
It's a dreadful disease.
I am so grateful that I and my family have had the vaccine.

Has he had the vaccine now? How did he go? I read something a few weeks back that the vaccine might be helping people with long covid symptoms. If true, that could help a lot of people. I hope it's true.

nanna8

I’ve had the first dose but the second isn’t until mid June. Anyone know how just one dose would protect, just curious ? It was astra Zeneca. They don’t tell you much here about that sort of thing.

I would expect it would be variable but it should give you some protection. Not sure how much.

TwinLolly, vaccines can't be coerced or forced. It might come down to what the industry is. I know of one case where the employer was taken to court for unfair dismissal over the flu vaccine and the employer won. So it might come down to decide to have the jab or find a new job.

Well said Franbern.
We are so fortunate to live in a society where vaccines are available. This is our only way to return to normal.
If I owned a pub or a restaurant I would be looking for proof of vaccination, otherwise it would like allowing a person with a loaded gun to enter. Covid kills.

After a phone conversation with DHs old school friend last night we won’t be meeting up with them any time soon, always anti government, anti vaccine and now even more sure that he is right.
The more you talk to him the more you realise that he will find plenty of proof on the Internet to back up his side of the argument.
Thank goodness it was DH on the phone with him, i would have have hung up on him. The only way he will get a vaccine is if it affects his long haul holidays, so maybe he will get it eventually.

On the other hand of course, if and when we go out and about we will be next to plenty of people who haven’t had the jab, so maybe we are all being over cautious? I know that I’m fed up with being at home for so long.

If you’ve had yours I wouldn’t worry...though I am flabbergasted that anyone in their right mind would refuse to have it...nowt so queer as folk

We might meet up, but as I’m struggling to breathe with a bad Asthma episode, the thought of listening to his conspiracy theories about Covid and telling us that it’s just bad flu, really makes me want to avoid him and quite possibly never see him again, but he has been a mate of DHs since Primary School.

Oopsadaisy1

We might meet up, but as I’m struggling to breathe with a bad Asthma episode, the thought of listening to his conspiracy theories about Covid and telling us that it’s just bad flu, really makes me want to avoid him and quite possibly never see him again, but he has been a mate of DHs since Primary School.

I appreciate you don’t agree with him, but does that mean you should (never) possibly see him again?
Seems quite extreme to me.

If they are under 40 they can have Pfizer (or Moderna) and not have to worry about life threatening blood clots. No one should be forced to have it though. An informed choice is always best.

I had the vaccine AZ to please other people and because of where I work. Did not want to have it because of potential side effects. Very unhappy day and anxious weeks following.

Language is interesting. The publicity (propaganda?) has changed to say that the AZ is safe for most people. So some of us it's not safe for. But who?Under 40s will no longer have it. Keep an eye on the language.

Kryptonite

Language is interesting. The publicity (propaganda?) has changed to say that the AZ is safe for most people. So some of us it's not safe for. But who?Under 40s will no longer have it. Keep an eye on the language.

It always seems to be cliff edges with ages.

Like the semi-joke that food goes instantly rotten at midnight at the end of the last day of the month.

So if someone is 39 and 364 days of age, ooh no, but becoming 40 that's supposedly different!

nanna8

I’ve had the first dose but the second isn’t until mid June. Anyone know how just one dose would protect, just curious ? It was astra Zeneca. They don’t tell you much here about that sort of thing.

In one study in England, one dose of AstraZeneca cut the number of people who caught Covid in the vaccinated group by 76%, compared to the number who caught Covid in an unvaccinated group. But these are differences between groups. The reduction in risk for an individual will vary from the group reduction in risk to some extent. I e it will be around 76% but not necessarily exactly 76%.

Kryptonite

Language is interesting. The publicity (propaganda?) has changed to say that the AZ is safe for most people. So some of us it's not safe for. But who?Under 40s will no longer have it. Keep an eye on the language.

It’s not a matter of safe or unsafe, black or white. There is an extremely small risk of blood clots from the AZ vaccine – much smaller than the risk of blood clots from catching Covid. Few things in life are 100% safe.

According to PHE the risk of clotting problems is around one in 50,000 for the first dose of AZ if you are under 40. Over 40 it is around 1 in 100,000.
assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/984255/PHE_12015_COVID-19_vaccination_and_blood_clotting_leaflet_v2.pdf

The language has changed to reflect the new finding of this very small risk.

A close friend refuses to have the shots and she is of the age and medical condition when she really should.
Her cousin who is always marching against the Covid injections and going to meetings convinced her of all sorts of lies and also even about the flu vaccine, which she always had but not the last year'
I have not been round because her cousin was always there we could not sit out back and he would have simply lectured me,
I had my first shot and waiting for second and did have my flu vaccine. I explained to my friend it was her choice but the flu vaccine did not contain some of the ingredients her cousin was saying. I also explained that I was having the Covid shots because I believed in them.
This was is January and I have not heard from her since. So it appears that myths have ended a friendship.
Once I am topped up I would have visited again if the cousin was not there. I know some people cannot have the vaccine and so would feel safe visiting.
Why people who can have it are choosing not to is their business, but it may cause problems for them with friends and family and travelling and such.

I have had both jabs and believe my eldest daughter (she's 28 and a teacher) will have the jab in due course- she and her partner had Covid earlier in the year. However, even if they didn't, it wouldn't affect my desire to socialise with and visit them, I think we all have to make our own personal decisions on risk - I could have a car crash on the 2.5 hour journey up to see them but that doesn't stop me doing it!

There’s many things we do everyday, and have done for many years, which makes it necessary to put our trust in others. Going to buy food from the shops being one example. You may as well say we should all stop eating, say cheese for example....because we don’t know the long term affects. We’ve had vaccines for decades, they all had to start somewhere.

I can understand people being cautious of course. I was to start with....but many people have worked long and hard over these vaccines. In the past, vaccines took many years simply because we had time for them to. Now we don’t. It may turn out that we’ve been over cautious in the past. I suppose we’ll never know.

If people don’t want to take it, that’s fine, as long as there’s no risk of them putting someone else in danger.

Boogaloo

I am not getting the vaccine and neither is my youngest son and his fiancée. My husband has had both of of his.

Many young people are concerned about the long term effects of these vaccines.

I’d be more concerned about the long lasting effects of COVID 19, long covid, inflammatory, untreatable lung disease.