Son and wife not having the vaccination

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They've made their choice they will have to suffer the consequences of their choice

I can hand them back-I too was appalled that we couldn’t get MMR as separate doses-and I understand, at that time, we were exporting single dose measles abroad. We’re practising Christians and our two daughters had all their jabs in childhood but nothing like this cocktail young babies are subjected to now. I tried THREE times to take our younger daughter for measles jab-I prayed long and hard about it as she had bad eczema-and each timethere was a valid reason why she couldn’t have it-out of date vaccine (as the nurse was drawing it up!); no doctor present at the clinic; the final time I gave up and accepted she wasn’t meant to have it.
Our elder daughter, also a Christian, a Solicitor so intelligent and her DH will
not have the covid jab either believing all the rubbish online and pouring out of USA. We have had to agree to disagree. They live nearby so we visit them indoors (windows and doors open) and they come to ours the same. We have both had both jabs so without being reckless we’re just going to gradually get on with our lives-we live by faith not fear

Thank you for your replies. The argument that they put forward is that you can still get Covid and transmit it even after having the vaccination so why would you bother! They think they are both young and healthy so cant see the point of having the vaccination. However, they are big fans of their foreign holidays so I will wait and see !

I think it is selfish to refuse to have the vaccination, unless they have a very good medical need to avoid it.
You're quite right to be worried about childcare, any vaccine isn't 100% effective and they may have no symptoms. There's also the risk of mutations developing which aren't controlled by the existing vaccines.

People are absolutely within their rights to choose - and to be cautious.

Asking questions and wanting to see long term data about the vaccines does not make anybody a "conspiracy nutter" what a lovely turn of phrase - or an anti-vaxxer.

The covid "vaccines" are different to other vaccines.

COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work by introducing a molecule (mRNA) into the body which instructs the body’s cells to build a protein similar to those found in the virus that causes COVID-19.

Most people have no idea what an mRNA molecule is.

No scientist could tell you the LONG TERM (side) effects of the vaccine on the immune system.

Ask yourself this - why has there no been open public debate between scientists and the public about vaccine concerns - why has the UK government granted immunity to harms to all vaccine manufacturers.

I do not believe this is a question of "entitlement to refuse" It is certainly the case, that, compared to Ebola or SARS, the fatality rate from Covid is low. However, you vaccinate not just for yourself but for others, as with mask-wearing. Leaving aside for a moment the lunacy of the flat-earth brigade who believe it a conspiracy, surely we should have some sense of collective responsibility - you may survive Covid, but you may be in contact with someone who is clinically vulnerable who will die or suffer permanent damage. We all remember lung cancer in people who never smoked through secondary inhalation. We are not individuals but part of a whole. Yes, there are sometimes unpleasant after-effects, none match dying on a ventilator.

Many of the people on that march were wearing yellow stars so I wouldnt really trust their judgement on anything naughtynanny.

My sister-in-law's new chap (well, fairly new, about 5 years now) is a fervent anti-vaxxer and is up to here in what he thinks of as 'proof' that all vaccines are dangerous etc. (Meanwhile she quietly went and got herself vaccinated). He won't even wear a mask (thinks they're dangerous too, lord knows why) which I find rather arrogantly attention-seeking.

I'm constantly amazed by people like him, and any other utterly unqualified folks, who are convinced that they know better than the most eminent epidemiologists and virologists. What is this great extra knowledge that they have gleaned from the great University of Facebook?

I picked up Covid in spite of being extremely cautious (suspect I caught it from someone in my family bubble who wasn't as cautious as me!). I had it quite mildly and seemed to recover, but then it came roaring back and breathing became very difficult ( doctor sent me to A and E). 17 weeks on, I can't walk far without feeling breathless and am still coughing. I've been referred to the Long Covid clinic. I'm one of about a million Long Covid sufferers. I was walker, am 8 1/2 stone and previously healthy. Please. Keep away from anyone who refuses to be vaccinated. This isn't fun.

'Good grief. What on earth are they doing to get so many? It must take a lot of their time'.
They don't have to do anything just open the bottles/jars and use - read the ingredients.

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable. I feel sad for you. I am disabled due to vaccine damage when I was a baby , many years ago, but I consider vaccine as the only way that we can save ourselves and our way of life. I’m so grateful for the vaccines that have been developed and for the speedy way it has been delivered.

My sil is the same. He says he won’t put ‘that stuff’ into his body. Selfish man. Very typical of him and there is nothing I can do about it. My daughter has had a very difficult life with him and I can’t say a thing or it would be World War 3 and she would cop it.

I presume you have been vaccinated so I can't see what the problem is. It is a personal choice (albeit a very silly one) not to be vaccinated but I would not fall out or stop seeing my family because of it.

I have had Covid, it was the worst experience of my life. 3 weeks in hospital, a collapsed lung and serious mental symptoms so yes i think you should see them outside. I am fairly well recovered 3 months on but still have a few issues wirh breathing and stamina.

Glad you're feeling better f77ms. You've had a scary time.

I'm sorry to hear that Boogaloo, I just hope this dreadful Covid doesn't kill you, as it has so many thousands of people, who didn't have a choice.

Naughtynanny I agree with you. I have had my first dose of the AZ and not due second dose until middle of June. I am doubtful I will have the second. They are now not giving the AZ to anyone under the age of 40. they will be offered a different vaccine. Well if it is not safe for anyone under 40 then in my opinion it is not safe for me. Non of the vaccines stop you getting it or passing it on. Why have it if you are healthy and highly unlikely to be ill even if you get it. I have seen my family throughout and looked after all my grandchildren even when their parents both had covid. I think I had it after a holiday in February 2020. I have never had the flu and never had a flu jab. So pleased we made the right call from March 2020 and carried on seeing family as normal. Life is for living and not hiding away. It is so clear the government have magnified this covid out of all proportion. The ONS have stated out of 40,000 care home deaths only 3221 were down to covid. Now there's food for thought.

Yes, URBU, you’ve had the vaccine so what’s the problem?

I had the Covid too, twelve days in hospital f77ms but if people have had the vaccine, they are unlikely to get the virus or to pass it on. The latest information from the scientists tells us we are unlikely to be able to pass the virus on if we’re vaccinated. Also in the case of Pfizer, unlikely to get the virus. Protection is 95%. To stop your life and destroy all your relationships because a relative doesn’t get the vaccine is ridiculous!

I think they are being unreasonable and listening to poor advice sadly

Have they had all the vaccines for mumps, meningitis, rubella? Would they want their child to get any of these diseases? Would they be angry of all the children in her class refused to have them and pass the illnesses on to their child?

Would they have an injection (to allow them to visit a foreign country (yellow fever, malaria etc.)? Will they expect to travel to countries where many people haven't had the vaccine and variants may be rife in a few year's time?

Do they refuse anaesthetics, post operation anti-infection vaccines?

Are they taking medications that have question marks over their safety like the contraceptive pill, viagra, recreational drugs etc. It doesn't seem to stop people when it something they want

Yes, think about themselves and their daughter but about others too who for medical reasons may not be able to have the vaccine and will still be vulnerable in the company of those who haven't had it

It seems so many anti-vaccers have their science and their priorities confused

They need to do their homework, visit the WHO website and not get their 'facts' from Facebook or the internet and the general populous who as we know are not experts in very much

naughtynanny

I absolutely know I will be in the minority here, but as so many of you have said,....it's a personal choice.

I will also NOT have this jab. I'm a sensible 68-year-old female, Mum, Nanny, etc. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, BUT, whilst some of you have mentioned the safety/testing issues, the clinical trials for all of the Covid vaccines do not end until January 2023, so in effect, it is still in the trial stage. No long-term effects will be known until then. Yes, it is licensed, but for emergency use only.

It would be incredibly sad for you not to see your loved ones, just to make a point, you are only denying yourself those lovely grandchild hugs, only because of your fears.

My guess is, that your family has done lots of research and came to the same decision as me. There is no reason for a normal healthy human being, with no adverse health conditions to have this toxic cocktail.

Unlike Thalidomide, which I'm sure we all recall, none of the vaccine manufacturers accept any liability whatsoever for death, illness, or side effects, which tells you a lot, and many insurance companies now have clauses in their small print saying pretty much the same thing.

I'm sure there are people who stand in the supermarket and study the list of ingredients in their food, more closely than they have researched the list of ingredients in this vaccine.

As you said, it's a personal choice, nobody should be criticised for their decisions let alone your nearest and dearest.

Over 750,000 people marched in London last month, all maskless, all standing shoulder to shoulder, do you really think all those people would risk the health of their family JUST to make a protest. There will be another march on 29th May, when the numbers will be even more. And remember, people who don't wear masks, or get vaccinated, and have ignored all the 'mandates', are the very ones who won't even get tested, so they are NOT the ones contributing to any Covid case figures. It's not being irresponsible, it's just plain logic.

You will totally regret it if you avoid seeing your children and grandchildren, you are at no risk whatsoever from them, and if YOU have taken the vaccine because you believed so much in it, then why do you STILL feel scared!

This article by Professor Tim Spector if King’s College London explains how vaccines have been developed and tested so fast. They are not still in the trial stage. They have had all the safety checks that any other vaccine has before being approved.

covid.joinzoe.com/post/how-covid-vaccine-so-fast

You are taking a much bigger risk by refusing a vaccine than by taking it. You are also putting people you come in contact with at higher risk of becoming infected, and giving the virus more chance to mutate if you become infected yourself. The more people who become infected, the more variants will develop

OP, YANBU (but they are).

To those saying why worry if you’ve had the vaccine: a vaccine doesn’t give 100% protection, so there is still a small chance of becoming infected. And although a vaccinated person is far less likely to have the illness badly than an unvaccinated person, there is still the risk of long Covid. An unvaccinated person is more likely to infect you than a vaccinated one. They are less safe to be around.

OP, you could try advising your son and DIL to watch Dr John Campbell’s videos on YouTube. He’s a retired nurse tutor with a PhD and a specialist in infectious diseases. He’s very informative and reassuring.

Its almost certain that vaccine passports will be required to travel abroad in the fairly near future. All these refuseniks should consider whether they ever want to leave the country again. I'm needlephobic but had to get over it and get my vaccine as my husband is extremely clinically vulnerable with COPD. He has had both Astrazeneca jabs with zero side effects, I have had my first and had an aching arm and shoulder for a couple of days - I am 51 and my husband is 55. A close friend had the Pfizer and was very tired for a few days. My parents have had both Pfizer doses with zero side effects. I could go on...I know lots of people who have had the vaccines and not a single one of them has had bad side effects. I do believe it should be compulsory for health and care staff to have them - I believe its already compulsory for hospital staff to have some vaccines. They are working with vulnerable people and have a duty of care.