Why are the young reluctant to take the vaccine?

Lin52 You can read one article free in the Spectator so should be able to read Baggs article.
Interesting.
Thanks Baggs

So sorry to hear about Long Covid and those draining periods @Whatdayisit So sorry about your daughters coeliac disease too, all very hard to deal with.

The thing is if we get something wrong after a vaccination its impossible to know if we would have got it anyway. I was told by an antivaxxer that I will get cancer from the vaccine, so I asked them how they could prove its from the vaccine and that it wouldn't already be on the cards. They couldn't answer!

Yes OnwardandUpward with vaccines the slight risks for an individual will always be small compared to the collective benefit for the majority.

We are lucky to have vaccines for anything.

I don’t know of anyone in my circle and neighbours whose youngsters haven't been vaccinated, particularly the ones at University, they were all just waiting their turn. Just one person who is a pensioner that I am close to refuses, she thing it’s all a conspiracy.

Dont know why there is such a hooha about the vaccine. To be fair could you imagine the state of the world if they hadnt had found one by now? The world would be like one of those films when most people had been wiped out. I for one am so grateful that we have one and we are lucky that we have the choice. There is so much speculation and data this and data that, no body has knocked on my door to ask my view where does
all this data come from? Most of all the young people I know have had their 1st jab and couldnt wait.
Vaccines are part of our life, we have them when we are babys so why the fuss now.

I don’t know of any young people personally who’ve refused the vaccine, either personally or anecdotally.

BUT there does appear to be a reduction in supply around here (Teesside/County Durham). It took my son and dil far longer to be able to book an appointment when the vaccine became available to them, than it did me to book mine. The closest slot for my son was initially over a 2 hour round trip, my dil it was even further. These were the only options showing for days, and just wasn’t possible around their jobs. I also know of a young man in his 20s who was turned away in the day of his appointment. They didn’t have enough vaccines, and so prioritised second doses. According to our local news, this was true of everyone under 40 was booked in that day. He is currently still an ‘unvaccinated’ statistic, because his new appointment isn’t for a couple of weeks.

Our vaccination centres also won’t bring forward second doses for those under 40. Obviously this is with good reason, they’re prioritising need. But it means that the double vaccinated numbers are MUCH higher for those 40+ than those in their 30s. The data could be read as those younger people not prioritising their second dose, when in reality, they just can’t have it yet.

As an aside, I had a prescription review recently. When discussing a booster the doctor told me that a fully vaccinated 60 year old, is still at greater risk than an unvaccinated 30 year old. Obviously this risk isn’t zero, and I still think having the vaccine is important for the greater good of society and to protect others. BUT I think we need to acknowledge that for some young people we are actually making it quite difficult.

There were certainly supply issues with the Pfizer vaccine in June:

www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/immunology-and-vaccines/pfizer-vaccine-shortage-concerns-highlighted-in-letter-between-health-secretaries/

It's possible they've been resolved, but I suspect not. Unfortunately, the shortages have affected those to be vaccinated last and will probably affect any decision to vaccinate teenagers.

I just saw that anti vax protesters caused vaccinations to be cancelled yesterday, apparently Piers Morgan was heading the crowd! (so the Independant says but I cant share their link)

metro.co.uk/2021/07/11/covid-vaccines-at-brighton-site-postponed-after-anti-lockdown-demo-14908794/

Apparently the police did nothing? It is crazy how these people are now not being stopped. Its their choice to not get vaccines, but they should let people make their own decisions,

Oops sorry I meant Piers Corbyn, not Piers Morgan. More coffee needed!

It is over six months since the oldest were first offered the vaccine, but only 2 months since it was made available to under 40s. What was the vaccination rate of over 70s in March? Was it much different to the vaccine rate for under 40s now?

Please read Baggs's info up above.
It explains quite a lot.

I can't read Bagg's article. I must have had my free monthly Speccy article.

Round here we seem to now have only one large jab centre, on the edge of town with an infrequent bus service. And both my eligible 19 & 21 yr-old GCs reported long waits for appointments that they could get to on foot. The early pics of queues winding round the block may have been people who lived close to the centre.

Baggs thanks for sharing. That makes sense and yes as an older person we are also more likely to struggle with covid. Having said that I think some young people have died from covid?

This is part of a conversation I had with my friend recently ‘
The Corona patents from 2002 onwards have been exposed...in public domain, But they have pretended Covid is novel even though Pfizer created a canine vaccine in 2008, this is all down to Gates-funded pro Monsanto and GMOs home of the notorious Neil Ferguson Gates and Co, no vaccine for me!’
That logic is Beyond me!!!

On Monday at 8pm President Macron adressed the nation. Covid cases are rising, especially in the young, as the Delta variant takes hold. Vaccinations are available to everyone over 12.
He announced that all health and care workers must be vaccinated by mid September or lose their jobs.
By the end of August bars, restaurants, cinemas, theatres, museums, shopping centres and other public venues will demand a vaccine pass or a negative test before entry. Tests for reasons other than health will be charged for.
By midnight 900,000 people, the vast majority young, had booked appointments.
By this morning the figure was 2.25 million.
800,000 vaccinations were given yesterday.
The approval rating for the policy is almost 70%.

Young people don't remember the times of TB, Diphtheria, measles, Polio etc. before vaccines. My mother was a nurse in Cuddington isolation hospital near Banstead during the war and lots of children came in with Diphtheria and some died. Young people may think they will only get a mild version of the virus. There may also be a lot of false information on social media.

20,000 bookings a minute for the vaccine in France.
Brilliant! I can just hear the conversations, "Quoi? I can't go out for a meal without having the jab? Get me signed up."

Absolutely that Ellianne. Apparently 80% under 40 and as many sign-ups as in the previous 17 days. It will all be Pfizer and a gap of 3-6 weeks so if they move very fast.....
The DoctoLib site has held up well and there are "centres de vaccinations éphémères" all over the place.

You and I had this same conversation several months ago Mamie, .... le lièvre et la tortue.
A good example of how to get things done when it is needed.

Yes very effective policy making. Whatever people think of Macron (and he is far from perfect), he does a good clear address to the nation. Castex does the detail and Veran the Health Minister, who is also a doctor (neurologue), has a firm grasp on the issues.
The other factor is that all health workers already have four compulsory jabs and no child can start school without the required immunisation.
No problem with showing the Covid pass because legally everyone must carry an ID card.
Context is everything n'est-ce pas?

My first jab was delayed as I was too poorly. I was constantly getting phone calls to ask if I was ready yet until I did get it yet.

I I haven't had my second dose yet so rang the GPs to check about it only to be told they've stopped offering them there now. It's two bus rides to where I now have to go and I'm sight-impaired. I can get someone to take me and will book there but there's definitely no rush from the provision side now.

Mincub Your post was fascinating. Can you give me the links to your sources for this information? Proper reputable sites that discuss the evidence please, not social media, influencers and conspiracy sites, although your information sounds so clear that I doubt you use those kinds of sites.

Interesting reading about France, thanks. I think it's fair that health workers have to have the jab but I wonder what about shop workers and teachers who are in contact with so many people?

The health minister said teachers are not included because they are not in contact with vulnerable people. I believe about 75% are already vaccinated.
I have also read that compulsory vaccination could be extended to everyone in a public facing role, but no detail on that at the moment.