Why are the young reluctant to take the vaccine?

It will, of course, have to include people in all establishments requiring the vaccination certificate for entry, so bar staff, staff in shopping centres, cinemas etc would automatically be required to have their own certificate.

Chapeau bas to the French gouvernement. This really is a shining example of how France aggressively attacks something needing to be done in a hurry. Even down to pop up vaccination centres in summer tourist resorts. I like the way the government website refers to it "as the precious vaccine" making their country folk feel like they are privileged to receive it.

I did have a slight chuckle though wondering whether every bar owner in deep rural France was really going to ask for proof when his regular farmers stumbled into his establishment wanting a drink!

yes rural France is like another France...

An example of said bar owner has already been on the lunchtime news Ellianne. ?
We have just been to our local mini Carrefour and the (male) assistants were having a very lively discussion as they loaded the shelves. Mind you, it is the 15th July so very much the morning after the night before....

Mamie shame the 14th was a Wednesday this year, they can't faire le pont into next week!

They are all on holiday anyway Ellianne. ? The old tradition of holidays in July or August seems to have broken down a bit in favour of 14 juillet to 15 août.

I have a friend whose young granddaughter and her partner won’t have the vaccine as they believe it has not yet been tested enough and they are concerned about fertility issues as someone they know and her sisters haven’t had a period since they had their vaccine. Ps. Neither have I but then I’m in my late 60’s!!

Never heard that before GreyKnitter.Come to think of it neither have I but im 66. Dont think its the vacs though

Before pointing fingers at age groups, you should mention those of any age that have not had or refuse to be vaccinated.
We also have to remember that due to anyone under 40 being given the Pfizer rather than AZ, means there are fewer venues that result in delays for the younger age groups being able to be vaccinated.
If the figures tell the same story in 6 months time, then it is truly cause for concern.

Just one person not having a period is just that. it does not mean it had anything to do with the vaccine.

Other people have said they have had heavy periods, again, no evidence that it had anything to do with the vaccine. With so many millions of women under 50 being vaccinated, the vaccination is bound to coincide with the start of changes in some women's menstrual cycle, as well as some men first noticing prostate problems, other people catching influenza and Waitrose running out of kitchen towel.

GreyKnitter perhaps they’re pregnant ?

Females who fall pregnant after their first vaccination are being advised not to have the second one at 12 weeks.
It they shorten the gap between jabs then some might take the vaccine without even knowing about the embryo.

Fair enough. I must admit, I wouldn't want to get pregnant in a pandemic because the bodys immune system isn't in our favour in pregnancy. At least that's how I felt when I was pregnant...

There was an excellent interview on the subject of the safety of the vaccine in pregnancy on Woman's Hour this morning. www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000xv7n

The scientist they interviewed, pointed out, among other things, that the number of pregnant women vaccinated in the US and Israel now runs into hundreds of thousands, many of whom have already given birth to healthy children and are unaffected themselves. There have been no reports of any harm to mother or baby.

On the other hand, if you are pregnant and not vaccinated and get COVID in the last three months of your pregnancy, you are far more likely to get the illness severely and end up on a ventilator and that is assuredly worse for mother and child.

OnwardandUpward

Fair enough. I must admit, I wouldn't want to get pregnant in a pandemic because the bodys immune system isn't in our favour in pregnancy. At least that's how I felt when I was pregnant...

In what way(s)?

A pregnant woman's immune system adapts to protect the baby and the mother. Different parts of the immune system are enhanced while others are suppressed.

That's interesting M0nica and although it's the opposite of what a family member here who fell pregnant during the 12 week gap was advised, it's worth keeping an eye on.

90,000 pregnant women in the US have been vaccinated with Pfizer or Moderna without any safety concerns. It would appear that medical staff themselves are giving mixed messages, possible to cover their backs.

www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/13/mixed-advice-driving-covid-vaccine-hesitancy-in-pregnant-uk-women

If pregnant women aren't vaccinated, they have no choice but to shield themselves until they give birth. One study found that women who tested positive around the time of birth are twice as likely to have a still birth.

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Can somebody please produce evidence that "young people" are more vaccine hesitant than other age groups?

It would appear that 60% of all 18-24 year olds have had their first dose and about 20% have had two doses and are presumably waiting for a second dose. I've attached a graph for England, but Scotland shows a similar pattern.

Secondly, the number of vaccinations being administered has reduced. This is probably due to supply issues. As more elderly people have already had two doses, it affects them less.

Thank you for The Guardian article growstuff. So many mixed messages.
I'm not medical but assume the vaccine in pregnancy would be safest during the 2nd or 3rd trimestre? A bit like being told not to consume alcohol or dodgy foods early on in the pregnancy due to the toxins reaching the embryo. It must be something to do with how the placenta works during the 9 months?
It is very hard for expectant mothers to make the huge decision, and the same for parents struggling to consider having their under 10s vaccinated if that becomes offered. I would be very torn.

growstuff

OnwardandUpward

Fair enough. I must admit, I wouldn't want to get pregnant in a pandemic because the bodys immune system isn't in our favour in pregnancy. At least that's how I felt when I was pregnant...

In what way(s)?

A pregnant woman's immune system adapts to protect the baby and the mother. Different parts of the immune system are enhanced while others are suppressed.

All I know is, I felt ill when I was pregnant. Swollen glands in my neck and really run down.

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Here’s the Wales equivalent graph. What would concern me most if I had any influence is the relatively low uptake of the 40- 49 age group as they are considerably more likely to end up seriously ill rather than the 18-29s. There’s a campaign happening here to try to persuade the vaccine hesitant to come forward now, but it seems that across the UK uptake is going to be less the lower the perceived risk.

Casdon That's a really high uptake in the youngest age group, considering they haven't had time to have the second dose yet.

I noticed on another graph that vaccine rates in Wales are higher than the average for the UK. I don't know whether it's a coincidence, but case incidence rates in Wales are relatively low too.

Ellianne

Thank you for The Guardian article growstuff. So many mixed messages.
I'm not medical but assume the vaccine in pregnancy would be safest during the 2nd or 3rd trimestre? A bit like being told not to consume alcohol or dodgy foods early on in the pregnancy due to the toxins reaching the embryo. It must be something to do with how the placenta works during the 9 months?
It is very hard for expectant mothers to make the huge decision, and the same for parents struggling to consider having their under 10s vaccinated if that becomes offered. I would be very torn.

I wouldn't be the slightest bit torn. Other countries have been the guinea pigs for vaccinating pregnant women and children and have not reported any significant concerns. On the other hand, it's known that pregnant women can be seriously ill with Covid and even young children suffer long Covid.

Ellianne Yes, this came up in the interview. I missed part of it but the scientist involved was part of the Oxford University research centre that helped develop the AZ vaccine and someone who was pregnant rang up saying that every medical contact she had gave different advice, from have it now, to do not have it until afterwards, and everything in between.

One of the things that has bemused me about the roll out of the vaccine is the number of medical staff who have refused the vaccine and justified their decision by quoting all the different myths against it promulgated by the Anti-vaxxers. In fact one of the most extreme leaders of the anti-vax movement in the UK is an ex-nurse.

Elliane Is there any evidence of other vaccinations affecting the foetus? I have not heard of any. There is a difference between what we eat and drink, which goes through the digestive system into maintaining our body and everything in it, and vaccination, which is injected into the body and is processed by our body in an entirely difrent way.

There is a difference between what we eat and drink, which goes through the digestive system into maintaining our body and everything in it, and vaccination, which is injected into the body and is processed by our body in an entirely difrent way

There isn't any difference in the way that the essential nutrients extracted from food and the antibodies which fight infections are carried around the body. They are delivered via the bloodstream. Maternal blood is exchanged with the foetus via the placenta. That's how it is nourished. I assume that if nutrients can be transferred via the bloodstream so can other things.

Biologists, what do you say?