The decision to end restrictions is dangerous and premature, unethical and illogical.

Emergency international summit on the UKs latest policy:

www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=a4imfAwdFMQ&ab_channel=CitizensTV

It is long and it is alarming. When they start talking about the effects of long covid on children's brains it is very scary. Also the hospitalisations and deaths of some who are vaccinated.

Thank you hugshelp.

That is very alarming and I hope the UK government can be persuaded not to act so recklessly in Monday.

Unfortunately, many people would rush back to 'normal' now anyway, because that is the expectation they were given.

MayBee70 I think that any older/vulnerable people who go to NT properties etc, in the conditions they are about to have, would be putting themselves in harm's way.

I'd expect that waiting a bit will show huge increases in infections and a rapid return of restrictions.
(Not lockdown, but sensible restrictions.)

I’ve had a reply from the National trust and they say they are just following government guidelines but that they do care about the safety of their staff and members. That hand sanitiser will be available, everywhere will be kept thoroughly clean and that people will be advised to wear face covering in crowded rooms. I pointed out that hand sanitiser is not going to stop people catching an airborne virus in rooms that are crowded and where social distancing has been stopped.

Looking on GN and MN and other social media, it seems that there are many people who will be happy to accept, like NT, that it must be okay if the government says so.
We'll just have to keep out of their way, as much as possible, and await developments.

Of course many people can't keep out of the way of maskless others on public transport and in workplaces.

Well, Sajid Javid has tested positive now, despite 2 jabs. Mild symptoms apparently, but just shows no one is immune. Ironic really!

So both Health Ministers, Hancock and Javid have caught the virus. Just about sums up this governments approach to the virus doesn’t it….

Casual sums it up I think.

Heard Jeremy Hunt on Today prog this morning and he was talking much more sense than present Health Minister. Israel now experiencing more cases apparently despite high vacc rate and thinking of re imposing some restrictions. They are vaccinating 12 year +.

This is interesting
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-57796133

Jaxjacky

This is interesting
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-57796133

Thank you for the link, like you say it’s interesting.

January 2021 50K Covid cases 1,280 deaths
July 2021 50K Covid cases 49 deaths

Let’s hope the vaccines continue to hold-up

I think removal of masks and some other items on the lifting of restrictions is wrong. Equally wrong is any reliance on expectations of common sense or good judgement on the part of many of the public.
This morning, town was busy and almost all shoppers were masked inside shops. I’ll be in town on Monday on the way to work. I wonder how much will have changed.

The vaccines do seem to be preventing hospitalisation and death. But it’s younger unvaccinated people that are at risk of developing long covid that worries me.

This is what Jeremy Hunt said today (BBC). He is in the know.

‘The health secretary's positive test result comes hours after one of his predecessors warned the government may have to reimpose lockdown restrictions if Covid cases continue to rise over the summer and into the autumn.

Jeremy Hunt, who is now chairman of the Commons Health and Social Care Committee, told the Today programme earlier that the NHS was facing a "very serious" situation.

"The warning light on the NHS dashboard is not flashing amber, it is flashing red," he said.

He said hospital admissions were "doubling every two weeks" and that at the start of September "we are almost certainly" going to see daily infections surpass the previous daily record in January.

"If they are still going up as the schools are coming back I think we are going to have to reconsider some very difficult decisions," he added.’.

"How we behave over the next few weeks will have a material difference."

It’s really not straightforward is it, but perhaps we are concentrating on deaths but not the number of those who are left with long term illness ie long Covid. This could put a strain on NHS for years to come. The figures seem quite high even amongst younger age groups

Greeneyedgirl

Well, Sajid Javid has tested positive now, despite 2 jabs. Mild symptoms apparently, but just shows no one is immune. Ironic really!

The most important part of that post is mild symptoms
That’s what people have to remember.

Greeneyedgirl

It’s really not straightforward is it, but perhaps we are concentrating on deaths but not the number of those who are left with long term illness ie long Covid. This could put a strain on NHS for years to come. The figures seem quite high even amongst younger age groups

They are. Even the most conservative estimate is 4% of infected people under 19 reporting symptoms of long Covid after three months. The intention seems to be to let Covid infect all these young people (we all know they're not seriously ill - yeah yeah). There are over 8 million school children in England (sorry, I don't know how many in Wales, Scotland and NI), but that's 360,000 children who could end up with a debilitating long-term condition. I find that horrendous. If this were a measles or meningitis outbreak, the country would be up in arms if there were an outbreak of just a thousand cases.

MerylStreep

Greeneyedgirl

Well, Sajid Javid has tested positive now, despite 2 jabs. Mild symptoms apparently, but just shows no one is immune. Ironic really!

The most important part of that post is mild symptoms
That’s what people have to remember.

How nice for him! He's been vaccinated. What about the nearly half of the country which hasn't?

According to NHS website long covid symptoms may persist even after a mild attack. Yes I agree about those not yet vaccinated - thrown to the wolves?

Greeneyedgirl

According to NHS website long covid symptoms may persist even after a mild attack. Yes I agree about those not yet vaccinated - thrown to the wolves?

I'm pretty sure I posted something similar a few days ago, but was jumped on.

The scientists who signed the letter disagreeing with the Johnson policy, said that the vaccine is not perfect. It is expected that new more effective vaccines will be coming online.

growstuff

Greeneyedgirl

According to NHS website long covid symptoms may persist even after a mild attack. Yes I agree about those not yet vaccinated - thrown to the wolves?

I'm pretty sure I posted something similar a few days ago, but was jumped on.

Yes. I heard that, too. Long covid does not necessarily result from someone having covid badly. Mild symptoms can result in long covid. In fact, someone from the government got that wrong on tv the other day. I can’t remember who it was. It might have been the vaccines minister. Right from the start of the pandemic we’ve watched people from the government and health advisors say things that we knew were incorrect eg asymptomatic carriers that Johnson said he knew nothing about. And I’m not sure if the latest symptoms have been publicised yet? It is believed that the vaccine can reduce the chance of having long covid. That’s why I desperately want young people to be protected until they can be vaccinated.

13 years old cannot walk properly due to what doctors decided is covid toes -despite not even knowing she had it.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57865404

Greeneyedgirl

It’s really not straightforward is it, but perhaps we are concentrating on deaths but not the number of those who are left with long term illness ie long Covid. This could put a strain on NHS for years to come. The figures seem quite high even amongst younger age groups

I think the worst Tories don't care about this because they plan to have the NHS privatised very soon.