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Is it ethical to require a vaccine passport for entry to a club?

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maddyone Tue 20-Jul-21 10:45:53

Morning everyone. I have been listening to a bit of a debate on Jeremy Vine this morning, and the question of vaccine passports in order for entry to a nightclub was being discussed. Personally I don’t have a problem with this, but I’m 68, double vaccinated, and highly unlikely to go to a nightclub at this stage in my life. No, I’ll rephrase that, I’m more likely to fly to the moon than go to a nightclub now. Is it unethical to require a vaccination passport to go to a club (from September) as was suggested by one very cross young lady? What do you think?

vegansrock Thu 22-Jul-21 06:16:57

At Wembley many just took screen shots of someone else’s test results or vaccination certificate. You’d have to double check several forms of ID to make sure it’s the right person. Can’t see that happening.

lemongrove Thu 22-Jul-21 06:55:59

vegansrock

So it’s safe for unvaccinated people to go to nightclubs now, but it won’t be safe on September 1st? Does this make sense?

It’s to give younger people time to have both jabs, so yes, it does make sense. Figures for young people coming forward to have them has dropped off...this may be the encouragement they need.
I don’t think it’s unethical at all, in fact it’s completely ethical if you think about it.
It may not happen though as Labour is determined not to back it.

SpanielNanny Thu 22-Jul-21 07:44:11

I wonder if those saying they’re unethical are referring to the fact that patients are required to give Informed Consent before any medical procedure.

One of the main principles of Informed Consent, is that it is given freely and voluntarily, without coercion or pressure from others. It could be argued that by saying to (at the moment, predominately young) people ‘you can’t do XYZ without the vaccine’ you are effectively coercing them into it.

Not necessarily my view, but possibly what people mean by ‘unethical’.

maddyone Thu 22-Jul-21 10:52:27

MayBee70

You mean like everyone had to show one when they went to Wembley the other week?

I don’t know Maybee, because as I’ve said a few times, it wasn’t me who said it was unethical, but the young woman on the Jeremy Vine show, who said it’s unethical, and she was very cross about it.
My own opinion is that it is probably the best thing to do under the circumstances, and for the time being, but as a another poster said, normally informed consent is required before any medical procedure. However these are not normal times, and we all need to accept that Covid has and will impact our behaviours. We will need proof of a double vaccination or a negative PCR test if we want to travel abroad, maybe a negative PCR test should be accepted as well as a vaccine passport for entry into a club.

maddyone Thu 22-Jul-21 10:53:03

Agreed SpanielNanny.

MayBee70 Thu 22-Jul-21 12:23:18

What I meant about people showing their vaccination status at Wembley was that, from what I’ve heard it didn’t happen. I’m opposed to the government stopping people from protesting peacefully. And I’m opposed to this bill that seems to be being sneaked through parliament that will stop journalists from writing things about the government. But I can’t see how we can live with this virus without the use of a vaccine passport of some kind. It’s just sad that I don’t trust this government with anything they do.