Austria puts unvaccinated into lockdown

GillT57

Bluecat, it is a big step from making it mandatory for people to take common sense precautions such as wearing masks, keeping safe distance, scrupulous hygiene etc., to uniformed officials stopping you in the street asking to see your papers. I am very sorry for the situation with your DD and hope she is recovering well, but not all NHS problems can be laid at the door of covid19, although it undoubtedly has made a bad situation far worse. I have had both vaccines but know this does not mean I am incapable of catching or of passing on the infection, I think perhaps this needs to be emphasised.

You know exactly NOTHING about a society where you are stopped and "asked for you papers" !!! We can be stopped at any time and asked for our details if police have a suspicion of either an offence or involvement in one. And "papers"? We don't do that other countries have I.D. and it makes life So easy for everyone, photo I.D. is a safeguard for citizens to avoid mis indentity, all the absolute rubbish spouted when photo driving licences were Introduced? Remember? It means that anyone not holding one is suspect and nobody can claim to be YOU! We're the only country not using official I.D. and I for one wish we had it, as my bank card was stolen/cloned and account wiped out, and nobody questioners young man using my card as NO picture showing what I SHOULD look like!! Not at petrol station supermarket or Debenhams or curries or comet or Wilding's. But at least I've kept my civil liberties if not my money!!!!

As the daughter of a Jewish 3 year old refugee from Nazi Germany in 1935 HOW DARE YOU USE THAT TO MAKE YOUR POINT you're disgraceful

Gabrielle56

As the daughter of a Jewish 3 year old refugee from Nazi Germany in 1935 HOW DARE YOU USE THAT TO MAKE YOUR POINT you're disgraceful

I won't hold my breath, but I think your very unfair rant at my considered point merits an apology.

Would be ideal if we could get 100% take up of the vacinne but that's not going to happen
Now to me those at the most risk are the unvaccinated but that's their choice
Off for my booster tomorrow

GN is very febrile this days. It’s like a tinderbox always waiting to go BOOM. ?
Opinions are polarised. One is either ‘for’ something or one is deemed ‘against’ and either vilified or cancelled.
What happened to courteously debating an issue?

GillT57

Gabrielle56

As the daughter of a Jewish 3 year old refugee from Nazi Germany in 1935 HOW DARE YOU USE THAT TO MAKE YOUR POINT you're disgraceful

I won't hold my breath, but I think your very unfair rant at my considered point merits an apology.

I mentioned yellow stars up thread but I am not apologising Gabrielle as I think you have missed the point of my and GillT57's posts.

On first glance I thought this OP was about Australia as very odd and worrying things are happening there. Not rumours, actual events as told to us by a relative.

rosie1959

Would be ideal if we could get 100% take up of the vacinne but that's not going to happen
Now to me those at the most risk are the unvaccinated but that's their choice
Off for my booster tomorrow

Yes, they are and that is their choice.

Must find out about my booster too.

I agree Urm, this thread has suddenly morphed from a discussion about the actions of Austria and whether we agree or not to a sudden accusation tantamount to anti-semitism coming my way. Anyone calmly reading the thread would not interpret it this way, beside which none of us know much about each other in reality. The person shouting at me doesn't know whether I am of Jewish or Eastern European heritage, whether I lost family in WW2, or anything else other than what I have chosen to share on here. I repeat; I have had both of my vaccinations, I am waiting for my booster, I wear my mask, I limit my interaction with others, but I am deeply disturbed by what I read of the actions of the Austrian government.

I have had all my vaccinations, I wear a mask inside shops, shopping malls, cinema etc.

I am worried about the stance taken by the Austrian Government it is tantamount to a them and us society and it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable.

In addition to the vaccination issue, I am rather surprised that Austria has taken this action considering they have double the number of hospital beds per inhabitant of many EU countries. They have huge capacity in Austria, similar to Germany, compared with Spain or Italy.
Yet, the same argument is trotted out in every land, namely that authorities are concerned that hospital staff will no longer be able to handle the growing influx of Covid-19 patients.
That's maybe why people are getting cross waiting for other treatments and procedures, while all that seems to matter is coping with covid hospitalizations.

Yes Maddy I would also like to see more restrictions with people having to ear a mask on public transport and in any indoor public place. But while we have an incompetent PM who had to be had to be asked 3 times on a hospital visit to put a mask on, then I am afraid I am also with you on pigs might fly.

It's a disgrace, vaccinated people can still be infected and spread the virus, so it doesn't hold up.

I think what we need here is a vaccine that actually prevents infection instead of a witch hunt of those who chose not to have this one.
I'm double vaccinated but have virtually no faith in it preventing infection. Too many people in hospital who are double jabbed, high uptake in UK but infections rising, R rate similar to before vaccination etc. But I think a lot less are dying so that's something to be glad about. However, I don't think big pharma will come forward any time soon and admit this vaccine is a failure as too much money to lose.

This vaccine is not a failure.

If you wanted perfection, then sorry, this is the real world.

except for basic activities such as working, grocery shopping, going for a walk — or getting vaccinated.

That doesn't look like lockdown to me - it's just some restrictions - so probably pointless. The idea looks more like pressure to comply.

When we were in lockdown way back in 2020, what were the things we were allowed to do?

working, grocery shopping, going for a walk.

I don't like overuse of the word "lockdown" but this is, indeed, a lockdown.

However, I don't think big pharma will come forward any time soon and admit this vaccine is a failure as too much money to lose.

I think it's worth noting here that unlike the other companies, Astra Zeneca have provided their vaccine to everyone from the start on a not-for-profit basis, and have said they will continue to do so for poorer countries next year, when they plan to move away from this policy and start to make a modest profit. They charge $4 to $8 a shot, compared to Pfizer's $18 to $19, and Moderna's $25 to $37.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-59256223

The Chancellor in GagaJo's link actually calls it "ein Lockdown", so he must mean it.

Alegrias1

This vaccine is not a failure.

If you wanted perfection, then sorry, this is the real world.

Yes, I agree, this vaccine is not a failure. Very few vaccines are 100% effective, and the efficacy of these Covid vaccines is actually rather good.
We do agree on much Alegrias.

The vaccine is a huge success.

Alegrias1

When we were in lockdown way back in 2020, what were the things we were allowed to do?

working, grocery shopping, going for a walk.

I don't like overuse of the word "lockdown" but this is, indeed, a lockdown.

True but nothing since the first lockdown has felt like lockdown to me, mainly because of the amount of traffic on the roads. During first lockdown the roads near us were extremely quiet, so much so that it was an event to see a vehicle on the road on t'other side of the loch. That road is usually, by local standards, quite busy. All subsequent lockdowns were not noticeable as far as road traffic went. I felt this on more major roads too the one time I did a longer journey than usual.

There seemed to be a lot more petty details attached to lockdown early on than there have been since.

How does anyone know whether someone is vaccinated in Austria? Are they doing random checks? Asking for vaccine "passports"?

Baggs

How does anyone know whether someone is vaccinated in Austria? Are they doing random checks? Asking for vaccine "passports"?

Yes the police are doing random checks on people . Fines from 500 to 1450 euros, or even more according to some news agencies.

Sadly even the vaccinated can still spread the virus.
And catch it. As did a friend who is double vaccinated and was seriously ill from the virus and hospitalised.

Well said, Winterwhite. I totally agree with your post. I too would be out demonstrating, Alegrias1 I have never been more fearful than I am now. Most of us are of the generation whose parents and grandparents fought and died for our freedom. If we loss our freedom of choice and liberty now we will loss it for ever, is that what is wanted for our children and grandchildren! Just because someone chooses not to be vaccinated does not make them an ANTI-VAXXER. Take a serious look around the world anti lockdown/covid passports are being demonstrated against everywhere including Australia and New Zealand. Mind you, you wouldn't know it from the coverage on BBC or ITV, not a dickybird.