Austria puts unvaccinated into lockdown

It protects other people, but I will not tolerate another lockdown here, in fact I will not stand for any more restrictions when most of us are now vaccinated. I just want life back to normal, and I NEVER self-test. Hey that's why I had the vaccine. I just want FULL freedom and no restrictions bringing back. I do not self-test nor do I wear a mask. If we all get vaccinated let's treat Covid like a cold.

My friend who has had three jabs has covid. She is feeling very ill. I hope that doesn't happen to you ss60

That’s a silly thing to say songstress60, as you won’t be deciding whether or not there’s another lockdown. Life won’t be back to normal for months, particularly if people behave as irresponsibly as you are doing.

Covid isn't just a cold though is it. Some people, even though they have been vaccinated will still get covid and although most will have a mild dose and will recover, some will not. I cannot understand why people will not get vaccinated. They talk about their choice and their rights but what about their responsibility to other, more vulnerable people. It's the height of selfishness to me.

I don't understand the big thing about wearing masks either. It's no big thing. We all want full freedom and no restrictions but until covid is under control we can't have everything we want. I want my vulnerable relatives to be as safe as possible.

Songstress60 just proves my point. Sadly I think figures are rising as people think the vaccine will protect them from catching Covid and turn it into a cold. Unfortunately this is not the case and vaccinated people are still dying. Elderly double or triple vaccinated are dying and others have serious complications. My DGS's teacher was double vaccinated and now has long covid. Been off work for 2 months.

I am sorting of 50/50 with you songstress I also do not want another lockdown which actually is quite unlikely but I will not stop seeing family again. Life is actually more or less back to normal
I do self test for obvious reasons it’s not difficult I rarely go anywhere that’s particularly crowded so very occasionally put on a mask I certainly don’t bother in restaurants ect
Getting my booster tomorrow which should increase protection enough to carry us over the busy social period of Christmas
I have had friends who have caught Covid after vaccination but none particularly elderly or vulnerable none have become ill This vaccination is to protect us from that. If I carried on thinking I could get really sick or die I would never do anything

It's now looking as if Germany will be doing something similar to Austria.

It’s a really hard one ! Part of me understands the reasons behind, (though not so sure it will work), the rest of me is appalled ! I think it’s a bit of a knee jerk reaction to rising cases.

Vaccines never did and never will entirely stop the spread nor catching it but in time cases will be far lower as those fully vaccinated are less likely to become very unwell, will have a milder version and be unwell for less time and to be honest those who bother to be vaccinated are far more likely not to go out if feeling unwell and more likely to still take precautions such as a combination of masks, social distancing, better and more frequent hygiene. Let’s not forgot the thousands and thousands dead and their loved ones left behind !

Look back to other diseases that vaccines ultimately helped eradicate such as small pox and diphtheria and polio.

songstress60:

'I NEVER self-test'

Can't you see just how selfish that is?

I regularly self-test - just in case - before I socialise or visit anyone. I just couldn't live with myself if I passed Covid on to somebody else.

'let's treat Covid like a cold'

It's not just a cold, it's a potential killer to anyone with suppressed immunity and/or an underlying condition.

Maybe you haven't lost anyone to it. We're coping with a young father and three small children who've lost their dear mother and unborn baby brother. She was only 41.

Rosie 1959:

'I have had friends who have caught Covid after vaccination but none particularly elderly or vulnerable none have become ill This vaccination is to protect us from that.'

NO - this vaccination is to protect everyone, not just ourselves.

For your information, she was double vaccinated, with no underlying health problems - but South Korean. There is a South Asian gene that increases the risk of serious illness or death from Covid. Do you realise how large SA is? All these people are at extra risk.

So very sorry for your loss. I do the same, two in my family are immunosuppressed, all have had vaccine, even a 15 year . Anything to protect them, and others, who if they succumb to Covid may well die. Better to try and be safe than not.

So sorry Hetty58 such a tragic loss of a young life

I'm fully vaccinated with booster, nevertheless the road Austria has gone down with Germany, seems draconian to me. I do think maybe there should be more insistence on wearing masks inside shops and on public transport. I believe Germany is battling a virulent 4th wave and they are also considering implementing the stringent restrictions that Austria have done. I still think asking the unvaccinated not to leave their homes is a step too far and smacks of a police state. I'd rather restrict access to businesses where they would certainly present a threat such as the hairdressers, as highlighted up thread and which I suppose would be anywhere really where one might find themselves in close proximity to others, pretty much most indoor shops, particularly in the run up to Christmas. The onus would of course be on the unvaccinated to rely on deliveries or someone else dropping off groceries which might be a real problem. Ideally, everyone would get themselves vaccinated in the situation the world finds itself in, but I don't think a free society can make that mandatory.

`--with Germany-- they haven't followed suit yet, meant to say that.

TerriBull, I fully agree that the measures seem draconian - and smack of a police state. Under normal circumstances, I'd be all for freedom of choice and against restrictions. These aren't normal circumstances, though - very far from it.

I have a stupid, ignorant neighbour who says she won't be vaccinated until they pay her to do it. If she can't go on holiday, to a concert, nightclub or restaurant - I don't care.

The restrictions are the same as we had at the beginning of Covid, if you are not vaccinated there are restrictions on your movement to reduce the chance of spreading disease. It was done to avoid overwhelming the health service, now we have vaccines there is still the risk of serious infection in vaccinated people.
We have the choice wether to get vaccinated, we should not have to choice to infect others, either accept the restrictions or get vaccinated

At the beginning of Covid we stayed at home because we had no idea what was going to happen. It bought us time.

Now, 20 months on, if the message is still "stay at home", then something's gone badly wrong.

If someone's neighbour is stupid and ignorant, is making them stay at home going to cure their stupidity and ignorance, or is it going to entrench their ideas that the government is trying to control their lives, while making all us vaccinated people feel superior and saintly?

If you're vaccinated, you don't have the choice either about whether you infect somebody, the risk doesn't become zero.

And authoritarian measures are always brought in when we're not in "normal circumstances". Then strangely the measures never go away.

Alegrias1 good post, I totally agree.

Perhaps we haven’t got it so wrong in England so many ways being tried of going around this virus perhaps the only way is to go through it with as many vaccinations as possible
France for instance with all its regulations and cases are now rising

rosie1959

Perhaps we haven’t got it so wrong in England so many ways being tried of going around this virus perhaps the only way is to go through it with as many vaccinations as possible
France for instance with all its regulations and cases are now rising

Finally, a poster who understands that each and every country will ultimately do what is right for THEM and what works for THEM.

Touching faith Josianne.

I have a stupid, ignorant neighbour who says she won't be vaccinated until they pay her to do it. If she can't go on holiday, to a concert, nightclub or restaurant - I don't care.

Perhaps she doesn't care about not being able to go on holiday, to a concert, nightclub or restaurant either.

When words like selfish, stupid, ignorant are used so freely it is worrying and one can see how this could lead to sections of society being treated like pariahs.

Vaccinated people can still transmit the virus.

Unvaccinated people are more likely to be careful as they are in more danger than others to be ill if they do contract it.

Unvaccinated people are more likely to be careful as they are in more danger than others to be ill if they do contract it.

Maybe they will be more careful, maybe they won’t be. We don’t know whether they’ll be more careful or not. If they believe some of the rubbish on social media, or spouted by some anti vaxxers, they won’t be more careful, because some people believe the whole Covid crisis has been fabricated in order to control us and Covid doesn’t exist, Others believe that a chip has been inserted into the vaccine so government can track us. Others don’t want to be told what to do. Others can’t be bothered to get a vaccine. Others think that they won’t be ill even if they do get Covid. Others think natural immunity is superior and they don’t need a vaccine because they’ve already had Covid, or are hoping to get Covid. The list of reasons is endless, but none of them appear to show that unvaccinated people would be more careful.

Actually, not all unvaccinated people are more likely to be careful. Many of them (according to the media, which I admit is not always trustworthy) don’t believe the vaccine helps and say that they have carried on as usual and not caught Covid, so they must be right.
Some, like an unvaccinated colleague are being more careful. She is expecting to work from home and refusing to come into work until Covid is over.