Austria puts unvaccinated into lockdown

Alegrias1

At the beginning of Covid we stayed at home because we had no idea what was going to happen. It bought us time.

Now, 20 months on, if the message is still "stay at home", then something's gone badly wrong.

If someone's neighbour is stupid and ignorant, is making them stay at home going to cure their stupidity and ignorance, or is it going to entrench their ideas that the government is trying to control their lives, while making all us vaccinated people feel superior and saintly?

If you're vaccinated, you don't have the choice either about whether you infect somebody, the risk doesn't become zero.

And authoritarian measures are always brought in when we're not in "normal circumstances". Then strangely the measures never go away.

No it does not reduce the risk to zero, just like obeying a speed limit, it does reduce the risk a great deal. If you are a responsible person you reduce the risk to others, either get vaccinated or accept the restrictions.

If you are a responsible person you reduce the risk to others, either get vaccinated or accept the restrictions.

Well that's the choice that is being offered to people in Austria etc., and already we are seeing the result, that people think its either/or.

But there are other options; educate people properly in the benefits? Spend time explaining why they are being asked to do it? Work on having a government system that people trust?

Or, banish the thought, gear up the health services properly to deal with the challenges we now face?

But its much easier and quicker to tell people that they have to stay at home and make the vaccinated think that they are doing everything right, and that the reason the rates are rising is "the others".

Well said, alegrias

Baggs

Well said, alegrias

Well they are in a substantial minority because in the UK 88% of those over 12 have been vaccinated that leaves 12% irresponsible. But I guess there will always be the fantasists that think they know best.

How do you know that they are irresponsible? Especially as you don't even seem to know that its 80% of everybody over 12 that have been fully vaccinated? Maybe some medical person on here can come along and tell us how spectacularly successful a rate like that is for vaccine programs.

Not only are they irresponsible, they are also fantasists, are they?

Or maybe they are medically unsuitable for the vaccines. Or maybe they are frightened of them. Or maybe they are bullied by members of their families.

But sure, calling them irresponsible fantasists will definitely get them to change their minds about being vaccinated.

Katie59

Baggs

Well said, alegrias

Well they are in a substantial minority because in the UK 88% of those over 12 have been vaccinated that leaves 12% irresponsible. But I guess there will always be the fantasists that think they know best.

88.1% of those over 12 have had one dose.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Only 23.5% of over 12s have had a third or booster dose. Most under 17 year olds aren't even eligible yet for a second dose. Until schools broke up for half term, it was the younger age group who were driving infections. They're hardly irresponsible, nor are the older people who are immunosuppressed or whose initial immunity has waned.

We should copy Austria. Those who willfully refuse vaccination, not because of legitimate medical reasons, but because they are either stupid or have been brainwashed by the evil anti-vaxxers need to be given a good reason to see sense and get jabbed.

growstuff

Katie59

Baggs

Well said, alegrias

Well they are in a substantial minority because in the UK 88% of those over 12 have been vaccinated that leaves 12% irresponsible. But I guess there will always be the fantasists that think they know best.

88.1% of those over 12 have had one dose.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Only 23.5% of over 12s have had a third or booster dose. Most under 17 year olds aren't even eligible yet for a second dose. Until schools broke up for half term, it was the younger age group who were driving infections. They're hardly irresponsible, nor are the older people who are immunosuppressed or whose initial immunity has waned.

There are a hardcore of vaccine refusers that are irresponsible, no not all have had 2 doses but at least they accept the system.
There might be a few that have a medical reason not to be vaccinated, they are quite likely isolating properly already.

We have our “freedom” limited by all sorts of laws and regulations, vaccinations should be no different, refuse and there is a penalty.

Slovakia also imposing lockdown on unvaccinated and Germany cracking down too!

inews.co.uk/news/world/germany-slovakia-crack-down-unvaccinated-europe-covid-rates-rapidly-rise-1305036

Germany are cracking down with a lower infection rate (312 per 100,000 than at we have had at any point since August in the UK.

Katie59

growstuff

Katie59

Baggs

Well said, alegrias

Well they are in a substantial minority because in the UK 88% of those over 12 have been vaccinated that leaves 12% irresponsible. But I guess there will always be the fantasists that think they know best.

88.1% of those over 12 have had one dose.

coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

Only 23.5% of over 12s have had a third or booster dose. Most under 17 year olds aren't even eligible yet for a second dose. Until schools broke up for half term, it was the younger age group who were driving infections. They're hardly irresponsible, nor are the older people who are immunosuppressed or whose initial immunity has waned.

There are a hardcore of vaccine refusers that are irresponsible, no not all have had 2 doses but at least they accept the system.
There might be a few that have a medical reason not to be vaccinated, they are quite likely isolating properly already.

We have our “freedom” limited by all sorts of laws and regulations, vaccinations should be no different, refuse and there is a penalty.

That's not the point I was making.

Apparently Austria have now gone a step further making vaccinations mandatory from February 2022
Wonder how well that will work out don’t believe any other country has done this

I wonder how that will go?

Not well I expect Maddyone
We consent to the vacinne had my booster yesterday but any ill effects and risk I also take
Enforced vaccine and something goes really wrong who takes liability

Indonesia has mandatory vaccine requirements already. Singapore have announced that they will no longer pay the medical bills for anybody who is hospitalised with Covid who is unvaccinated, which is another approach which will probably achieve the same end result. Lots of countries have also mandated vaccine for specific groups like health and care workers.

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Austria are indeed the first EU country to impose mandatory vaccination. I can’t believe they are doing this.

varian you often seem to label people as stupid if they don’t agree with you. Not just about vaccinations.

We have to remember that polio, MMR are actually vaccines. The so called Covid vaccine is no more than a suppressant. Like the ‘flu vaccine.

What absolute tommy rot Urmstongran

What do you mean by that??

Polio and MMR confer lifelong immunity. The covid vaccine & boosters (which we have had by the way) are surely like the ‘flu vaccine? Immunity for a short length of time. For example we might need another booster in 6 months or a year.

The original idiot who tried to say something like this has been banned from Twitter and has his account cancelled for spreading misinformation. No doubt somebody will remember his name.

If you are trying to make things better Urmstongran, this is not the way to do it.

I quote: what word would describe something that stimulates your immune system so that it generates a response against the Covid-19 coronavirus? Hmmm, how about, let’s go out on a limb here, maybe, a vaccine?

I agree actually Alegrias which is why we’ve had ours. I accept (and apologise, again!) for expressing myself badly. I shouldn’t have called it ‘so-called’.

I ought to have left it as ‘just like the ‘flu vaccine - needing regular top ups’.

I was, in my crack-handed way, trying to illustrate the difference between say ‘flu and polio.

As always you put me down with a withering comment.

*cack

Moving on.

It seems to me that England, for the last few months, has seemingly called the right shot by ploughing on, accepting infections as inevitble. We have had relatively high rates of transmission over a long time, that has to be a good thing for preventing sudden spikes.

Just look at Wales with higher rates and much stricter rules. It seems as you might expect, the rules just push problems down the track along with services, leaving nature to choose when it's best to make it's appearence, inevitbly in colder months.