School refuser, advice needed!

Thank you Cossy, it’s nice to see some positivity 🙏

The most important thing: does your grandson want to do this course.
That matters more than anything.

Yes he really does. He loves working with his hands and being outside. He desperately wants to work with his uncle and would do so now if he were legally allowed. He does go out with him to price up jobs and can actually do very accurate calculations himself. I feel quite positive about his long term prospects, at the moment I am really trying to help him and my very stressed daughter navigate the demands of the education authority to support him until he ages out. And yes I do understand the LEA and only doing there job and they provide a very valuable resource but there are exceptions to the rule sometimes and I feel this is probably one of those.

Maybe look up "deschooling"

Sometimes it takes a long time to put school behind you and set off on a new more positive path.

There will almost certainly be an "Education Otherwise" group near you - or a home education group.

My daughter uses Facebook to keep in touch with other home-educators.
Not at all the same as when we were home educating - but even then there were maybe 80 families in our county.

Thinking of you all.

M0nica

Allira

I don't want to employ a tradesperson, especially an electrician, who has not managed to gain a qualification in Maths, English and Physics.

Personally, I would prefer to employ a well trained and able electrician, rather than one who has gained a ualification in maths, English, physics, but who is really useless at electrical work.

Why not a skilled , qualified electrician who is also a published poet or historian?

Caleo

M0nica

Allira

I don't want to employ a tradesperson, especially an electrician, who has not managed to gain a qualification in Maths, English and Physics.

Personally, I would prefer to employ a well trained and able electrician, rather than one who has gained a ualification in maths, English, physics, but who is really useless at electrical work.

Why not a skilled , qualified electrician who is also a published poet or historian?

Skills and creative ideas are not mutually inconsistent.

Caleo

M0nica

Allira

I don't want to employ a tradesperson, especially an electrician, who has not managed to gain a qualification in Maths, English and Physics.

Personally, I would prefer to employ a well trained and able electrician, rather than one who has gained a ualification in maths, English, physics, but who is really useless at electrical work.

Why not a skilled , qualified electrician who is also a published poet or historian?

Why not? I am employing a lot of tradesmen currently as we are doing up aa house and I have had fascinating discussins with several of the tradesmen, brutalist architecture with one (He liked it, I hate it). I have given tours of our house (it is over 500 years old) and discussed its construction use and history, including all the witch signs, and learnt a lot about the construction and dates for some ofthe brickwork from my tradesmen.

Caleo

M0nica

Allira

I don't want to employ a tradesperson, especially an electrician, who has not managed to gain a qualification in Maths, English and Physics.

Personally, I would prefer to employ a well trained and able electrician, rather than one who has gained a ualification in maths, English, physics, but who is really useless at electrical work.

Why not a skilled , qualified electrician who is also a published poet or historian?

I don't mind in the slightest if he or she is a published poet or historian. We could chat happily about either in the coffee breaks.

However, it is totally irrelevant to becoming a qualified electrician, whereas Maths, Physics and competency in the English language is.

When I plug in the washing machine I want to know that the person who rewired my house had the required qualifications, not that he or she was the new Lord Byron or Simon Schama, fascinating though they might be.

In fact, that comes across as a load of pretentious intellectualism.

Allira

Caleo

M0nica

Allira

I don't want to employ a tradesperson, especially an electrician, who has not managed to gain a qualification in Maths, English and Physics.

Personally, I would prefer to employ a well trained and able electrician, rather than one who has gained a ualification in maths, English, physics, but who is really useless at electrical work.

Why not a skilled , qualified electrician who is also a published poet or historian?

I don't mind in the slightest if he or she is a published poet or historian. We could chat happily about either in the coffee breaks.

However, it is totally irrelevant to becoming a qualified electrician, whereas Maths, Physics and competency in the English language is.

When I plug in the washing machine I want to know that the person who rewired my house had the required qualifications, not that he or she was the new Lord Byron or Simon Schama, fascinating though they might be.

The best linguistic register for communicating information about practical matters is explicit language. Explicit language is learned from others who can use it and from some printed material.

An electrician needs to be up to date on their qualification.
It's a trade qualification.
Academic ability is irrelevant.

Oh dear.

You'd think apprenticeships for becoming a tradesperson such as an electrician etc was open to anyone without a single qualification.
Similar to the most mundane job such as stacking shelves (yes, I did that job once for a short time when I was young and it's more technical than you think but doesn't require a single GCSE).

Some countries respect their skilled tradespeople.
It is obvious the British do not.

Caleo

Allira

Caleo

M0nica

Allira

I don't want to employ a tradesperson, especially an electrician, who has not managed to gain a qualification in Maths, English and Physics.

Personally, I would prefer to employ a well trained and able electrician, rather than one who has gained a ualification in maths, English, physics, but who is really useless at electrical work.

Why not a skilled , qualified electrician who is also a published poet or historian?

I don't mind in the slightest if he or she is a published poet or historian. We could chat happily about either in the coffee breaks.

However, it is totally irrelevant to becoming a qualified electrician, whereas Maths, Physics and competency in the English language is.

When I plug in the washing machine I want to know that the person who rewired my house had the required qualifications, not that he or she was the new Lord Byron or Simon Schama, fascinating though they might be.

The best linguistic register for communicating information about practical matters is explicit language. Explicit language is learned from others who can use it and from some printed material.

Of course!

Of course! Lord Byron is very explicit about Ohm's Law, MCBs, Impedance. I remember his poem called Phase.

I don't understand the last comment.
Why would you think being an electrician is or should be an unskilled ie not needing a qualification.

welbeck

I don't understand the last comment.
Why would you think being an electrician is or should be an unskilled ie not needing a qualification.

Exactly what part of my comment do you not understand?

I said exactly the opposite.

It is other posters who think you do not require a certain level of intelligence to become an electrician or any other skilled tradesperson in fact.
In fact, they must have intelligence and common sense.

I think the opposite.

I think the opposite.
To those who claim they do not need a degree of intelligence.