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Harry: "I want my Father back. I want my brother back"

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OnwardandUpward Tue 03-Jan-23 13:34:07

Ah diddums are the consequences of your actions catching up with you?

A change of heart is needed! You need to face up to your own actions and stop acting as the only victim.

faye17 Sun 08-Jan-23 15:08:12

This is very true Callistemon.
....and while a physical presence is very important what we are talking about here is more the emotional presence or lack of and where the duty of first care lies.
Many parents work long hours to provide for their children and most children appreciate this.
Those parents' first care is their child ; their work supports and funds this.
Charles' absences were of a different kind.

Smileless2012 Sun 08-Jan-23 15:10:16

Disappointed and angry unsurprisingly Alioop to have had to leave his charity work because of what H's said.

I hadn't thought of the possible consequences for his American visa, I'd be very surprised if it was revoked though and I think he's better off living there then he would be living here atm.

Alioop Sun 08-Jan-23 15:18:38

H will be ok wherever he lives, he will still have his privileged life, unlike others who have to scrimp and save to get by every day. He has only thought of himself, he knew the trouble that book would bring and did he care, no. He was out to hurt the RF, but now there other casualties with his prattling on too.

OnwardandUpward Sun 08-Jan-23 17:28:33

He was out for himself, without a thought for the consequences.

25Avalon Sun 08-Jan-23 17:33:02

What would you rather I said VioletSky - two slices short of a loaf, nuts? By damaged goods I meant to imply it was not all his fault, that he has mental health issues caused by things that have happened in his past.

VioletSky Sun 08-Jan-23 17:39:00

You can say what you like

I am just reacting to it

It's been said to me by my own mother

I am neither damaged nor goods.

Neither is Harry, he is a person shaped by his upbringing and experiences, same as the rest of us. Most people do not know how impacted they are by their own childhoods, even when they are able to acknowledge that childhood was not positive.

But people still aren't damaged goods, most people have been through some sort of painful experience... and changed by it.

OnwardandUpward Sun 08-Jan-23 17:46:02

It's likely H has some type of CPTSD caused by trauma.

Smileless2012 Sun 08-Jan-23 17:54:56

If he does Onward we can only hope that he gets the professional help he needs.

OnwardandUpward Sun 08-Jan-23 19:53:13

Yes, so much!

M0nica Sun 08-Jan-23 20:13:56

Prince Harry didn't have to go the way he has.

It has been pointed out that the 'spare' in the Swedish royal family has done exactly what Harry did - walked away from her position in the Royal Family. She has given up her title and privileges, money and security, if she ever had any. She is married to an American and lives a normal life as a private citizen in the US, a long way from Hollywood.

Swedish papers totally ignore her, except when she makes home visits, and not much then. All the international news outlets ignore her completely

With that straight forward example to lead them, why has Prince Harry and his wife felt this need to get up to all their shenanigans. They could have bought a pleasant but modest detached house, almost anywhere in the States, property is much cheaper there, and with his substantial, although, not enormous fortune, they could have lived a comfortable and quiet life.

maddyone Mon 09-Jan-23 03:29:40

Good points Monica. I believe that the Japanese ‘spare’ has done exactly the same. I saw this reported on the news a few months ago. She has given up her title and absolutely everything to marry the person she loves and lives in a flat in America.
Why is Harry so filled with self importance that he feels he has the right to do this? Well it seems to me that the family he says he loves but is busy trying to publicly destroy has filled him with self importance and arrogance and that’s why he thinks it’s okay. No wonder I think we should be a republic!

DiamondLily Mon 09-Jan-23 04:43:56

Not sure I would take too much notice of Pen Farthing, as he was getting slated, not so long ago, for risking many allied and Afghan lives by insisting his animals were rescued from Afghanistan, in front of humans.

But, Harry was very stupid bringing up his time out there, talking of his "killing" totals. It has provided extra fodder to those that try to radicalise young people.🙁

Plus, it's put himself, his wife and his children, at extra risk.

And, to be honest, I do think that the problems many, many people are suffering at the moment, with increased poverty, stress, homelessness etc. should be publicised more than this endless royal soap opera and their squabbles.

'Royal worries' about who borrows lip gloss, who gets what castle, who curtseys to who and the rest of the royal drivel, must pale into insignificance if you're due to lose your home this week.🙄

Harry obviously is vey upset at how he views his treatment, by his family. But, I'm not sure what he expects out of this.

The family, even if he's right, will never apologise, because they never do. When you are surrounded by flunkeys always agreeing with you, and never telling you you're wrong, you're not likely to ever think you are in the wrong,

All this therapy and counselling obviously isn't helping him - he seems more angry and miserable than ever.

He needs to find a better way - and the best way would be to build a happy life for his little family.

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 08:31:37

I agree with you Monica, he could have been content with his love, his kids and a modest house. Surely peace, love and contentment would be best. Its sad for him that he is not able to enjoy what he does have and disappear quietly to do good somewhere.

Except, as we're seeing, the green eyed monster and the raging hatred he feels are taking over and driving him (who knows where), but it can't end well.

He has had MH issues a long time, but I can't think that putting himself in the public eye is a bad thing. If he doesn't get he results he wants, he will feel even worse- and I doubt he will get his own way in this.

M0nica Mon 09-Jan-23 08:40:57

maddy1 Yes, now you mention it, I remember the Japanese 'spare' giving up all claims to royalty in order to marry her non-royal husband.

According to the news this morning, PH has started to row back from some of his more outrageous accusations. His PR advisors have obviously realised that the Sussex's whinge-fest is beginning to work against them, so there is now a counter operation thay now says,' It was bad, but not as bad as other people have been saying, talk about sloping shoulders!

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 09:12:04

Ha ha ha

Silly bitter hateful boy. Glad he is getting the message but what a shame he had to let his unbridled hatred out in public.

volver Mon 09-Jan-23 09:18:29

So.

Lots of reports in the press saying things he was going to say and quoting bits of his book out of context.

When he actually appears himself and says something different to what has been reported in the press, it is of course, all Harry's doing - and that of his PR people - that the press misreported him.

If this wasn't so serious it would be funny. Never get on the wrong side of the mob. They'll have you for breakfast.

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 09:24:11

What did he actually expect to happen?

This book and all his publicity stunts have been madness from start to finish!

volver Mon 09-Jan-23 09:28:40

No, This book and his publicity stunts have been misrepresented in the press from start to finish.

There, corrected that for you.

Opinions may differ.

Glorianny Mon 09-Jan-23 09:45:45

I also find it significant that he still has legal actions going against the British press. They really don't want him portrayed as someone who is capable do they?

As for those doing the MH diagnosis he acknowledges and says it is an on-going process and he is still working through things. I remember sometime ago someone saying that people with issues needed to access help, and do the work ,or their children would have to. It's obvious who hasn't done the work isn't it?

Casdon Mon 09-Jan-23 10:11:40

I’m so bored of all this that whilst I was watching the Kardashians -Billion Dollar Dynasty which was on at the same time (and was fascinating) I was dreaming up titles for the other two books in Harry’s trilogy. They obviously all rhyme.

Chair - A searing insight into the pros and cons of therapy

Overshare - The impact on the rest of one’s life of oversharing, referencing and with contributions from other A List celebrities including Kim Kardashian, Angelina Jolie, Paris Hilton and of course Meghan Markle.

Other potential titles include Beware, Despair, Compare, Flair, Dare, Over There, and even My Hair.

Sorry, I’ll shut up.

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 10:15:45

If I was Harry I wouldn't explain anything. I like to think I would move away from the limelight and count my blessings in my new life.

But one mans medicine is another man's poison, sadly.

maddyone Mon 09-Jan-23 10:18:29

It seems to me, and this is not about Harry specifically, that people with mental health issues often carry these problems throughout their life. I’m thinking especially of my own sister who has had mental health for almost all her life despite extensive treatments and medications. I know other people who have had this problem too. I don’t know whether Harry has mental issues because I can’t diagnose him with my not being a doctor, but I do know that people with severe mental health issues appear to suffer all their lives despite treatment.
Harry may or may not have mental health issues but he does appear to have issues with his family, justified or not. What the outcome will be I have no idea, but I feel sorry for his father because however good or not as a parent he was, he loves his child and will be very hurt by all of this.

Smileless2012 Mon 09-Jan-23 12:20:09

We don't know that the RF never apologise. Who knows who has apologised and for what? Apologies may well have been sought and provided but those getting them have kept their reasons for wanting one, and the actual apology received, private.

I didn't watch but reading comments from some who have I am flabbergasted that he has the temerity to now say that his family isn't racist, and the comment made about Archie wasn't racist, but misguided!!!!

Accusations that the RF and the institution of the Monarchy is racist have been all over the press and social media since that travesty of an interview with Oprah.

M's been praised for standing up to racism only now according to H, she didn't and hasn't done so in relation to his family because they're not racist.

Oh dear.

Callistemon21 Mon 09-Jan-23 12:21:55

This may all end in tears .....

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 12:41:26

Much as I empathise for any PTSD and MH disorders H may be suffering from, I wish he had had the right people around him to be able to save him from this public humiliation that he has caused himself.

The RF will not explain or apologise in public. It's not their way. Everything will have to be dealt with in private, or not at all. H cannot force anyone's hand with any book or any interview. He's simply wasting his own time and making his life harder than it needs to be.

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