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Harry: "I want my Father back. I want my brother back"

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OnwardandUpward Tue 03-Jan-23 13:34:07

Ah diddums are the consequences of your actions catching up with you?

A change of heart is needed! You need to face up to your own actions and stop acting as the only victim.

JosieGc Mon 09-Jan-23 12:53:05

Why shouldn’t Harry say how he feels? Why shouldn’t he describe his story, his experiences ? People seem so angry about that, I can’t understand it. I watched it, I saw no ‘hatred’ though, I saw a man describing his life experiences . That’s okay. He said at the beginning he wanted the opportunity to tell his own story as for so long its been told for him by so many different people in a distorted way. I understand that. How difficult and frustrating must it be watching people incorrectly and inaccurately describe your own life & who you are repeatedly… it would annoy me anyway.

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 13:00:47

About how many people he killed? Or other things?

JosieGc Mon 09-Jan-23 13:09:58

Yes that bit did make me feel uncomfortable as a pacifist. I am more referring to the overall outrage about the interview and whether he should be telling his story at all.

pascal30 Mon 09-Jan-23 13:39:36

Callistemon21

This may all end in tears .....

Undoubtably especially as the Jihadists and Taliban are now openly threatening to get him

Norah Mon 09-Jan-23 14:25:56

I believe the number of kills was a very bad thing to share for all the reasons others note. Security being paramount.

I think, anything shared about virginity or his parts is just vulgar and pushing against common decency, a middle finger if you will.

The rest, as I've read of here, not seen or know personally, sound to be things that bother him. Might would me as well, if I were raised as he was? Chance for his father to settle.

I'm not sure media are reporting what he truly wrote, or turning tidbits.

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 14:40:30

Seems like he was looking for a reaction (from a family who don't give public reactions to private problems)

Did he forget who his family were or did he just became obsessed in his goal to force their hand to comply with his agenda?

It would have been better, with the help of therapists to ask for a response in private, not to try and provoke a reaction in public. Whatever extreme things he chose to say, it was never going to happen.

Alioop Mon 09-Jan-23 15:57:00

He must be exhausted carrying those chips he has on his shoulders around all the time. He needs to get on with this wonderful life he says he has and just enjoy it. Life short, he shouldn't spend it full of bitterness and blaming others for things he's said and done.

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 16:21:57

Yes those chips must be heavy.

Coercion is a nasty thing as well. Good for the RF for not bowing to his attempts.

M0nica Mon 09-Jan-23 16:30:33

I actually cannot see what Harry has got to complain about. being the spare is by far the better part to play.

While the eldest child is constrained by the title that will one day be theirs, the spare has the world as their oyster, they can do what they likes.

They could become chartered accountants, or circus performers, a nurses or farmers, or, if they prefer it, just walk away like members of the Swedish and Japanese royal families have done. Retreating to private life.

The Duke of Gloucester trained and worked as an architect, when, in his case, his older brother dies and he found out that he was no longer the spare, but the heir, he just continued with his career, appearing at some Royal occasions like weddings and jubilees, but otherwise not part of 'the firm'.

There are precedents galore, in this country and elsewhere for people in Prince Harry's situation withdrawing quietly into private life.

Prince Harry however is the only one to want to have his cake and eat it and then kick off a tantrum when he is told he cannot do both.

Smileless2012 Mon 09-Jan-23 17:13:26

I'm afraid he's already become a bit of a circus performer, as he performs for the media and those prepared to pay him for his outpourings.

What cannot be denied, regardless of who if anyone in the Oprah interview used the word racist (I didn't watch it), is that the press, social media and some of H's & M's celebrity supporters ran with it.

I did see when William a day or two after the interview was broadcast was carrying out an official engagement, a reporter called out asking him if his family was racist. He said no.

So why didn't H if not both of them quell the allegations? I suspect it was because it suited their 'victim' narrative. It was that, that fuelled the vitriol against the late Queen's former lady in waiting and why so much was made of it.

The RF is racist. The institution of the Monarchy is racist.

I do have sympathy for H. He's clearly a troubled man who needs help but that is no excuse for what he has done and continues to do to those that love him.

Joane123 Mon 09-Jan-23 17:27:19

My sympathy for Harry has evaporated today; I am disgusted with him.
Apparently he has mentioned in his book the lovely young lady who used to introduce Love Island and is now no longer with us. What on earth must her family think! I feel so sad for them.

Alioop Mon 09-Jan-23 19:47:41

I thought that last night when he mentioned Caroline Flack. There was no need to hurt her family any more than they are hurting by losing their daughter. Her agent has demanded him to be stripped of his titles. He just keeps on and on hurting other people, but whinges on about his wife hurting inside with comments about her. What a stupid, sad lad he is.

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 19:59:22

It was a low blow bringing back the pain of losing Caroline Flack, for her family, friends and fans.

I was floored when he even said "She didn't have a big ego". But she overnight went from a tv presenter to Harry's bit of rough, just because she had worked in a factory once.

Is it me or does Harry have the opposite of the midas touch?

GagaJo Mon 09-Jan-23 21:36:46

Nope, it's you.

nanna8 Mon 09-Jan-23 22:13:49

Well if he didn’t have mental health issues before,he certainly will now as a result of his own actions and the press fallout. He isn’t the brightest spark in the fire. 🔥

Normandygirl Mon 09-Jan-23 22:31:01

"It would have been better, with the help of therapists to ask for a response in private, not to try and provoke a reaction in public. "
It would, but how would that have brought in the dosh?

Callistemon21 Mon 09-Jan-23 22:49:16

GagaJo

Nope, it's you.

So you think it was acceptable to refer to Caroline Flack in the casual way he did?

I don't. It's unacceptable.

He's causing hurt to so many people.

GagaJo Mon 09-Jan-23 22:58:15

OnwardandUpward asked a question and I answered it.

The implication was that PH destroys everything he touches. And I disagreed.

Don't want an answer, don't ask a question. And if a question is asked, don't assume there will be an answer you agree with.

Callistemon21 Mon 09-Jan-23 23:02:43

He's behaving like a bull in a china shop with blinkers on.

Yes, he has had a life with traumas, so have many others, but he knows where to get help.
It is no excuse for causing such hurt to others.

OnwardandUpward Mon 09-Jan-23 23:12:16

Interested in your answer Gaga jo! It looks like a 💩 show to me, so you must have some kind of special insight. Care to share?

DiamondLily Tue 10-Jan-23 04:45:51

Harry considers them toxic. They, probably, view him the same way.

As with all families, I would imagine mistakes have been made by both sides.

But, there are thousands of miles between them, and both have the wealth to live comfortable, cushioned, fulfilled lives.

So, it really would be best all round, if they all just got on with their lives, doing what they do. Both sides to cease with all the briefings.

This ongoing argument just diminishes the reputation of this country, especially abroad.

Our government must be cheering though - despite the absolute shambles this country is now in, the whole thing is getting buried by the media, under an avalanche of royal drivel. 🙄

maddyone Tue 10-Jan-23 05:51:19

I know what I would do if I was a member of the royal family (thank God I’m not) and that is completely ignore Harry and everything he has said. I’d get on with my own life and completely ignore him. I would do my best to ignore him at any future family events too, much as he was ignored at Prince Philip’s funeral by most of the family.
Perhaps that’s the way Charles and William will behave. It’s the only way to deal with this sort of behaviour in my opinion, don’t dignify it with a response.

VioletSky Tue 10-Jan-23 07:49:58

In the interview Harry said that he has triesd at length to talk to his father and brother in private.

He needs them to be accountable

He takes responsibility for his part in the feud

That all this defense is against the media primarily and exactly what I said, his family standing back and doing nothing.

Well, there we have it.

He has every right to tell his own story whether people trash him for that is up to them

Mollygo Tue 10-Jan-23 08:54:07

VioletSky

In the interview Harry said that he has triesd at length to talk to his father and brother in private.

Unfortunately, his current behaviour makes it improbable that what is said in private would remain in private, or that anything said would not be converted into Harry’s ‘truth’.
He probably has the apology he’d like lined up in his head. Anything said that does not match up with that will be unacceptable.
If you’ve experienced an apology that you feel is insincere, and just saying the words or it doesn’t fit what you want, it doesn’t work. I’ve heard people talk of apologies from estranged family members, that fits that perfectly.

Smileless2012 Tue 10-Jan-23 09:09:06

Yes he's said that, but how do we know? It's hard to know if what he does say is true. I've said that too Mollygo.

His father and brother will now never know if they have a private conversation with Harry, if it will remain private and if they don't say what he wants to hear, in all probability it wont.

What part has Harry taken? Where's his responsibility? He's even tried to blame William and Kate for him wearing that Nazi uniform!!!

A lot of his 'truth' has been shown to be anything but the truth.

Just because you can do a thing, just because you and others think you have the right to do a thing, doesn't mean you should.

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