Btw thanks for being there it means a lot
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So here we are again, another thread for friends we've already made and for those we are yet to meet.
The last few days have been difficult because for as long as some of us have been contributing to the support threads, offensive posts from these 'new' members still not only disrupt, but can hurt too.
'The truth shall set you free' popped into my head over the weekend because these 'new' members/trolls/previously banned posters are not being truthful to us here on this forum or possibly to themselves either.
In order for the truth to free us we have to be honest because honesty and truthfulness can liberate us from all kinds of emotional baggage like guilt and fear and also the impact of deception on our lives.
Guilt often prevents 'admitting' to estrangement in the first place and many live with the fear of permanent estrangement, that estrangement is inevitable or the fear of what a reconciliation my bring.
The impact that the deception from those who lie about us to others is sometimes unquantifiable as is the impact of lying to themselves.
What we share may not always be pretty, it may not always be easy to share or to read but it does help ourselves, one another and who knows how many who read but never post and that I believe is what really matters.
Btw thanks for being there it means a lot
Babs glad to see you back on the thread.
Thank you all for the compliments. But we are all strong and tough here we have had to be. Everyone has problems in life but we endure and get through a day at a time .
Like Mr B baby steps .
It's just I ramble on more about things . Talked to my brother this morning he still says I am 16 years older than him instead of 16 months he's cheeky and I will be seeing them on the 14th for 5:days .
Take care everyone and anyone who just reads hope this thread helps you.
Nice to see your post, look after each other.x
Morning everyone.
It's so great to see you back Babs, we've really missed you.
Such a shame but understandable that the move is on hold, hopefully next year will see you settled into a new home.
It's worrying and difficult enough without you having to worry that your ED may try to contact Mr. B. while he's so vulnerable, and doesn't remember the estrangement. Hopefully she'll stay away which is what she wanted when she estranged you.
It's lovely to be home again. We had some friends over for a BBQ last night and sat outside until 10.30 pm; it was lovely.
Mr. S. has just discovered that we have a hedgehog in our hedgehog house
and has just taken a little dish of water down. We're keeping both bird baths topped up and have had squirrels coming up onto the decking for a drink.
You must be looking forward to seeing your brother and s.i.l. Whiff, are they coming to you?
How's Joey coping with the heat Yogin? Our's aren't too bad and are being sensible, staying in most of the time.
Mr. S. has two bowls matches today, one this afternoon and one this evening. I'm half expecting him to get a call that this afternoon's has been put back because it's going to be so hot. At 71, he's one of the youngest who'll be playing this afternoon and I'm worried about him, so it wont be great for the rest of the them playing in this heat with no shade during play
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I'm staying at home with 3 parasols on the decking for shade, soothing sounds from two water features and my book.
Take care everyone and keep cool x
Lovely to see your post this morning Babs 
BBQ and sitting out till 10.30pm sounds good to me Smiles and a hedgehog! how nice. Yes, I'm keeping the bird bath topped up, have one on the ground, also my little pond. We went out really early this morning for walkies, kept under the trees, nice and cool, now sitting by the patio doors, wide open with curtains closed 3/4. Joey didn't get walkies yesterday as too late once I returned from my yoga class and visiting my park friend in hospital.
Mr.S is going to have 'Hot bowls' today, I think they may cancel as it's predicted to be 33c!! Enjoy your book Smiles
Whiff enjoy your visit with your brother.
Horror of horrors! Upstairs have just come down into the garden with her f.i.l, Joey barking like mad. The little girl, so sweet, just saying hello Joey I picked him up to stop him barking. But the horror is: the f.i.l is cutting down a beautiful conifer, it looks like a mushroom as the base branches are cut away and has a lovely shape, the birds nest in it, blue tits, blackbirds and robins, that's why I now get lots of birds in my garden.
In it's place they are putting a big trampoline!! So I'll have a trampoline in the left hand garden, one at the back and now on the right!! It's going to be hell!!
She was saying about cutting the big Sycamore tree at the back, but was quoted a few thousands by the tree surgeons. He is just cutting it down himself, just has a ladder & a saw. I think there's going to be damaged done as the big branches fall, hopefully not on my side, but I reckon into DH's garden.
Thanks for kind words, is great to be back.
Too hot here and Mr B is not comfortable, due to post stroke fatigue he needs to have regular rests/naps but he can’t sleep because of the heat and then he becomes agitated.
Have purchased fans from Argos which luckily haven’t sold out.
Am afraid am not a fan of such hot weather.
Yogi it must be hot for Joey, difficult to keep our furry friends cool.
Enjoy it with your brother whiff, and hope you have better health.
Take care all xxx
@Smiles I think Mr S will be happy if bowls this aft is postponed, as will you, this weather is too hot 🥵
An evening match will be more comfortable.
🙏🏾
Yoga, Upstairs are quite out of order not consulting you about the tree. Why they need two trampolines I don't know. FIL is mad if he attempts to cut a Sycamore tree down, where is all that wood going. Am I to understand your garden is split back and front? Here one has front the other back in maisonettes. I think woukdewould stay around until tgecorohrct finished.
Babs, hopefully this hot spell ends today, like you I am not a fan of it but how much harder for someone bed bound. Very much doubt if your est daughter will be back. Your husband talking about her just shows how sub consciously she's is still. there. I do hope he starts improving. I haven't been out for three days, the heat just hits you in the face, I feel tired as can't sleep, meeting friend for coffee for an hour, then home.
When I played match bowls I cannot remember a fixture ever being cancelled due to hot weatger and I played in heatwaves, there was no escape from the sun on an open green, it was part of the reason I eventually stopped playing altogether.
Whiff it will be lovely seeing your brother again and having his banter.
Sorry about typist, thus pad alters things, I check every sentence then paragraph, press send and words change as in first paragraph last sentence, so frustrating.
Hello everyone Yogin that would drive me nuts - three trampolines and tree sawing?
My landlord cut down a nesting tree this time last year, it had an active hedgehog nest under it, to build a bin.
I cried! Well nearly.
There were 60-70 fewer small birds in my garden last year. They didn’t survive to this year.
Ended up with some sort of infection, delirious and had to pop to hospital.
My cats were frightened, hadn’t eaten in five days, but on the mend now.
It took estrangement right out of my mind, but not in the way I hoped.
Smileless sitting in the garden at 10.30 pm sounds like bliss.
Allsorts the garden is split in the centre with a small fence & gate, but it's a very big garden, so as big as an average normal garden. Did feel as if they had cut down 'my tree', but it's theirs. Made a real mess of it, I take it they are not leaving like that. They have a big hard standing at the back of the garden, so I can't understand why they don't put the trampoline there!
Four squirrels running about like mad this morning, so think their nest was in the tree
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That's awful Sparkly, my squirrels are going nuts this morning, so must be cos they have lost their home, along with the little birds! I don't know how people can do it
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On top of all that, football boy was out in the garden yesterday evening, kicking his football up in the air close to our fence. Of course, making Joey bark, I thought 'it's too hot to close the patio doors, Joey will just have to get used to it' and surprisingly he did, only barking now and again. Then football boy upped the ante, so I went out and said thought football was played on the ground, not up in the air the whole time' he looked through the trellis at me and snorted out of both nostrils! I just said loudly ^Yuk and that I would be staying in the garden with Joey now. So started watering the garden and then football boy went in!
Other irritating thing is; on that same side, the mum puts her cat in a cage, right up against my fence, so of course, again, drives Joey mad! Even though he can't see the cat, he knows it's there. She won't let it have the run of the garden as she's afraid a fox will kill it, as happened to her other cat!
I have to dash....Little GD broke her arm yesterday, jumping off a swing! she went to A&E at 6pm, not put on a ward till 6am and will have an op this afternoon. MY DD getting upset about the op, so need to get up there
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Oh no Yogin hope it goes well for your little GD.
Your neighbour could buy a cheap small run for her cat.
On my front lawn I can’t put a small run as there’s a leapy loose dog who visits sometimes, growling etc.
Anyone watching the tennis?
Morning everyone.
So sorry to hear about your GD Yogin, I hope she's OK. It must have been a bad break to require surgery, bless her.
What was your neighbour thinking? He's made a real mess of that tree and this is not the time of year to be doing it; no wonder you're annoyed
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While we were away our neighbour stopped the reeds being cleared from the large pond where we are. There's a mother with 11 ducklings; 4 moorhen chicks and a lot of European marsh frogs which we can hear every night, they make it sound like a tropical rain forest!!!
Your landlord sounds just as bad Sparkly, it's not rocket science to know that there are nesting birds and young animals about this time of year.
For the last two evenings, at about 10.00 pm we've been entertained by rabbits just outside our decking; hares on the golf course and watching the hedgehog coming and going from his little house
.
This area is designated low light pollution which is probably why they come so close to where we are.
Watched some tennis yesterday Sparkly but I'm not as in to it as I used to be. Cam's match was good and it was good that Emma got through but I just can't take to her; don't know why.
Sounds wonderful Smiles just the sort of place I'd love.
Sparkly not watching Tennis, don't know how they can in this heat, see a little when I switch on the TV.
My ex-dance teacher has exotic cats and has enclosed her whole garden in mesh, looks OK. I did tell my neighbour but she's opted for the cage, which I think is awful, but I understand why.
My GD had her op at around 4.30pm yesterday, 2hrs, back on ward at 7pm. I had left to teach my yoga class as it was too late to get cover or cancel. Popped into Tesco to get a few bits and also something for us to eat & went back again. She hadn't woken when I left at 9.30pm, woke later, but too late to be discharged, so going home today. I'd love to share a pic of her in her hospital bed; cuddling a soft toy duckling I'd bought her, long blond pigtails, she looks sooo sweet, but of course can't.
Whilst I was at the hospital I popped in to see my park friend who was just along the corridor in another ward. He was pleased to see me, quite cheerful & happy & with it. Told me it was the 1st of July yesterday so knew what day it was. We were chatting about him going home and getting back to his daily park visits after a 2 week stay in a rehab care home, so he was very pleased with all that.
Sadly, once home, I got a message that he would be moving into a hospice as he has only 3months to live
.
We knew the hospital staff had asked to speak to his next of kin over the weekend, so we all thought it was about his discharged into a rehab. Next of kin being his great nephew. He has 2 sons that haven't spoken to him for many, many years. I was told he and another friend went up to where his son's worked/lived and they ignored him, didn't speak to him, everyone said how awful that was. When we were in the park, months back, and no one else around, I did say to him I understand how awful your situation is as I'm in the same boat with my youngest D&GC. But we never spoke more about it. I wouldn't bring it up now as I wouldn't want to upset him at this time.
Glad your little gd is on the mend Yoga. That poor man with 2 sons ignoring their dying father. What goes r,kind vines round. You are kind to him as are others. When my husband was in the hospice there was a man dying of liver cancer and the only visitor he had was a volunteer, we included him in our banter and just before he died he said his time there had been the happiest ever.
An act of kindness with you popping in could have made his day.
Awfully sad Allsorts
My DD&GD got home at around 3pm, utterly exhausted. We are all going to a surprise birthday party in Kent tomorrow for my f.i.l. I said either I or my son will drive, so DD can relax. Only down side is my ex [C fahter] will be there, visiting from Indonisa.
My poor son was stuck in that M25 closure of the QE11 bridge yesterday. Set off from London at 2.30pm and didn't reach his depot till gone 8pm!! He slept in his cab last night as couldn't face the traffic build up coming home 
Feel sorry fir your son and others caught up in that closure Yogin, in that heat too.
Whiff
Milsa you are a better person than me. I still love my son but I can never forget or forgive him or my daughter in law.I would never trust him again .. But it's been 5 years since I saw and spoke to him don't expect to see him again .
He called me vindictive and manipulative 2 things I have never been. I had a loving and caring son for 32 years. What hurts me the most is to realise my son is a cruel coward.
I will always love my grandsons as they are innocent in all this . Last time I saw the oldest 2 they were 4&2. They will be 9,7 and their brother who I don't even know his name will be 5.
Vindictive and manipulative. That's funny, isn't it? I am not fully estranged, just being kinda slowly pushed out lately. But, I have been told the same thing as you! And I'm like, what the hell? Then I asked, well, to what end?
What am I trying to get through the manipulating? It was an honest question.
All I got was crickets. How can people even dream of accusing someone with no reason?
I said all I could think of myself was I want is love and to love, be with my kids and grandkids, so it that a bad thing, really?
More crickets.
So I'm thinking, using the words manipulative and vindictive as descriptions must be some key words they think justify their own actions when they discard their parents for no reason?
Seems to happen wayyy too much to be a coincidence.
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