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Need Wisdom Regarding Time with Grandbaby

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LovingGiGi Fri 03-Nov-23 21:00:46

I am so incredibly hurt. For years my son lovingly teased me about becoming a grandparent and indicated he was eager to see me in that role. Then his wife became pregnant. We live 20 minutes away from one another, A week before baby's birth my husband and I were given the rules:

1.) We could not even see the baby for the first week as my son and his wife needed "time to bond" with the baby. My son used my husband and me as an example: no family saw him the first week after his birth. I pointed out that my family lived in another state and would be coming for his baptism 10 days later. It was too hard for them to come twice in less than two weeks. If they had lived in town, they would have seen him multiple times in the first week.

2.) No kissing baby - not even on the top of the head or on her toes. Hmm... If they wanted to use my experience as an excuse for their rules, as in rule number one, kissing by family members would not be denied. But my son chose to pick and choose my experiences with him as an excuse for their rules.

3.) No overnights. What the heck?? I never asked for overnights. I did mention I could get a free pack-n-play for baby to sleep in when they visit, but I was referring to napping or sleeping in if parents went out for a date and came home late to pick her up and she needed a spot to snooze.

After baby was born, my son and his wife, who had an emergency c-section, had two weeks of food delivery lined up from various people. The people were only allowed to drop off food to my son in the parking lot of their apartment building. I had no problem with people dropping off food, BUT if my son wanted to use my experience of first-time parenthood as justification for his rules, then no one would bring him food because no one brought us food after he was born. I also had an emergency c-section.

I brought my son and his wife a meal when my grandbaby was six days old. Because she was not yet a week old, I could not come up to the apartment. I was, though, "allowed" to "see" my first grandbaby from the balcony of the apartment building they live in and "wave" at her. I felt like I was going to a nursing care facility to wave to an ill super elderly person from a window outside during the pandemic. I hated it. It felt like waving a chocolate candy bar in front of a starving child and saying, "Look, but don't touch. Now, isn't that amazing?" I could not even see the baby. I didn't want to wave at the crown of an infant head. I wanted to "taste" my grandbaby's goodness by holding her and touching her. It was like salt in an open wound.

Finally, the day arrived when my husband and I could actually visit. When we arrived, baby was in the living room in her bassinet. We were not allowed to pick her up out of it. We had to sit on the couch and have her handed to us. She was bundled in a swaddle, and we could not see anything but her face. We were not allowed to touch her skin at all. When I went to pass baby to her Papa (my husband) sitting next to me, my son insisted that he be the one to pass the baby. I felt like I was being treated like a young child and not a grandmother who raised her own children.

When I later expressed how hurtful all this was, my son got upset with me saying that she is his and his wife's child and not mine and I do not get to make the rules. But that is all I was given: rule after rule after rule, and not anything I CAN do as a grandmother.

My grandbaby is now 4 months old, and I have held her an average of 10 minutes a month. I have never babysat her, played with her, read a book to her, sang a lullaby to her, given her a bottle, changed her diapers, pushed her in her stroller, or done anything grandmas do with grandbabies, especially kissed her.

What I have done is cried and cried and cried. I cannot understand why my son who was super affectionate towards me, even when he was in college, is now distancing himself from me and, more hurtful, keeping my grandbaby at an arms-length, saying this is how his generation operates. I am scared. Will it always be this way with her? Will I never have a true relationship with her? I literally feel like there is a knife piercing my heart.

In addition to keeping the baby at arms-length, it seems that rather than listening and learning from one another and across generations, my son and his wife are rejecting everything my generation believes about family, and acting as if my generation has nothing of value to offer the generations behind us because we are not as smart as they are: they can just go online and read stuff from people who are smarter than we are. Their baby must at all costs be protected from us. That is very hurtful. I don't understand it.

Please, I would love any insight and wisdom others can give me on this issue. I need to get my head on straight about this as the hurt is so deep. I just want to love on my grandbaby in real life - not by seeing pictures of her posted online.

icanhandthemback Sat 04-Nov-23 21:00:46

Wisdom doesn’t seem to be valued these days.

Our wisdom may not be quite as wise as the up to date thinking which has developed through research. I had children 6 years and 10 years apart and I was shocked by how much had changed. Some of the advice was the exact opposite of what I had been told with the first baby. Many of us tolerated parental interference because we had been taught that respect for them trumped everything else even if they didn't deserve that respect. Today's generation are more assertive than some of us were.

Dinahmo Sat 04-Nov-23 21:13:02

"Many of us tolerated parental interference because we had been taught that respect for them trumped everything else even if they didn't deserve that respect. "

That was certainly the case with my in-laws. They showed no respect for us and what we did at all. My DH's niece told her grandparents that if they continued to tell what to do she would not see them again. And she didn't.

I was lucky with my grandparents, both of whom lived until I was in my twenties. But the relationship between children and their GPs is very different to that between children and their parents. And it should be.

NanKate Sat 04-Nov-23 21:13:08

It’s very hurtful I know but I would just leave them to it. Sometime hopefully soon they will want help and advice and you will be there. When I visited my first grandson I wasn’t allowed to hold him ! Now 12 years later we are looking after him and his brother for a week 😳

Your time will come.

GrannyRose15 Sat 04-Nov-23 23:55:12

Notspaghetti I’m not sure what the point of your post is. If it was to make me feel better about the situation then it failed. If it was to reprimand me in some way then how dare you minimise my feelings.

crazyH Sun 05-Nov-23 00:35:06

LGigi - it’s not as if these rules are just for you and your DH. It’s for everyone, including d.I.l’s parents. Don’t be too upset. It’s their first baby. Wait till the second one comes along - they’ll be begging for your help.

NotSpaghetti Sun 05-Nov-23 06:27:23

GrannyRose15
I'm sorry my out has inadvertently upset you so thoroughly.
I'm not sure why - but apologies anyway.

NotSpaghetti Sun 05-Nov-23 06:28:21

- should read "post", not "out"

Mitzigem Sun 05-Nov-23 07:54:17

I think some people are cold to you in their responses. I do feel for you in the sense that I think they were a bit stiff in not letting you see her for a week and also having to be handed over to you, you couldn’t pick her up yourselves ! Or even touch her skin , That’s batshitl Also not sending you photos but just seeing second hand on Facebook . The feeding , kissing, changing nappies is not something you should be too bothered about , baby is still so young . They are being super precious at this stage but it will wear off . I’m sure you will have lovely times with your grandkid and will build a relationship with her in the future as the child gets older and will love to see her nana . I know you don’t say anything anymore and that’s the best way to leave it.

March Sun 05-Nov-23 09:23:00

Deep breath.

She's 4 months old. You've expected a lot of things to happen in such a small amount of time.

lemsip Sun 05-Nov-23 13:28:25

I've read this before a while back

Germanshepherdsmum Sun 05-Nov-23 13:42:32

Same issue always cropping up lemsip.

pascal30 Sun 05-Nov-23 14:01:34

I was also truck by the number of 'I wants' from the poster. It seems really sensible to me, that given the recent covid epidemic and the current numbers of cases, that the parents would set clear boundaries whilst the baby is so young. The least you can do is to respect them..

Norah Sun 05-Nov-23 14:17:19

May I ask why you wish to change nappies and childmind an infant?

Hithere Sun 05-Nov-23 14:24:27

It is flu, RSV, strep, upper respiratory conditions, cough, etc, season.

Much more reason to keep a baby safe from germs from wants while he/she is fully vaccinated

Oldnproud Sun 05-Nov-23 16:23:02

As has been said above, try not to take it personally.
This approach to parenting a newborn (especially a first child) is very common now and yes, it is so far removed from what many or even most of us experienced in years gone by that it can feel very hurtful when it hits us so unexpectedly.

The birth of my own first DGC (12 years ago) wasn't accompanied by quite as many rules as yours, but still enough to initially upset me purely because they were so unexpected.

I decided quite quickly that the best thing I could do was to push aside any feelings of self pity, as there was nothing positive whatsoever to be gained from them, only negatives. I just went with the flow, and by the time our second dgc was born 18 months later I was very wanted as a hands-on grandparent to both the firstborn and to the newborn. And yes, that included changing nappies and trying to bottle feed them when breast feeding alone was no longer possible.

nexus63 Sun 05-Nov-23 17:10:16

i have 1 gs, he was born the day after my bowel cancer operation, he was in hospital for 4/5 weeks, he was 3 months old when i first saw him, they sent me pics and facetimed me and that was fine, he is 4 now and has autism and can only say a few words and i see him every few months even though he is only a 15 min drive away, i only get kisses, cuddles and attention when HE wants and i am fine with that, when he smiles, laughs and waves to me, my heart bursts with love and pride for how far he has come. my son and dil make the rules and that is how it should be, they don't want anymore kids this will be my only gc, i am not sad about this as it is there choice. grandparents don't have an automatic right to come in and do what they want to do ie kisses, feeding and nappy changing. just be glad you have a son who has a happy settled family and find something else to do with your time.

icanhandthemback Sun 05-Nov-23 17:18:36

nexus63, our little grandson also has autism and at 4 years old was wordless. He started with the occasional word before school and is now quite fluent. The way he talks is perhaps noticeably different but he gets by. I have several grandchildren but I have the same reaction to you when this little lad smiles and waves. He will also be my only grandchild from these parents and when I see the work they put in, I understand it completely.

Mojack26 Mon 06-Nov-23 12:06:42

I was wondering same

Mojack26 Mon 06-Nov-23 12:13:07

How awful for you. Rules??? It's not a game,it's your grandaughter. My wee grandaughter is nearly 2,born shortly after lockdown. Only rules were in the hospital..I think they are being a bit hard. What about her parents? Same rules? You are just going to play 'their game'. To me you are all losing here. I sincerely hope things improve for you soon. Xx

Juniper1 Mon 06-Nov-23 12:22:01

This is heartbreaking. I wonder if the other grandparents in the mix have these restrictions? Often daughters allow more access to their own mother. All u can do is bide your time and hope they eventually see the point of family, maybe after another birth?
Keep communications open, but don’t be pushy about contact invite them for meals, Sunday lunch, be appreciative of pics and any small morsels.

Aven Mon 06-Nov-23 12:27:11

When my first grandchild was born I told my son and daughter in law that I was just at the end of the phone if they needed me, I left them to find their way. I later found my dils parents were there every day taking over. My son was so angry he stopped everyone visiting when they had their second. After a few weeks I got a call to go over to their house and I took my gd out in her pram! I then went back and did a huge washing for them, a mountain of ironing and made a couple of meals to keep them going. The other in laws got nothing!

Annierob Mon 06-Nov-23 12:58:22

That does seem very extreme and hard to deal with.
Best though to go along with their ‘rules’ and try not to say ‘well I did it this way’.
They are reinventing the wheel and maybe very anxious. Be very positive when you are with them.
This will get better as they need you as time goes on. And as people have said, baby will not remember this.
Big virtual hug.

Doli55 Mon 06-Nov-23 13:00:44

So sorry to hear how upset you are over this. I don't think this kind of behaviour in new parents is unusual these days, given how 'parental wisdom' is on tap via the internet and parenting groups like the NCT and Mumsnet. My 1st grandchild is now 6 months old, born prematurely at 32 weeks and my DIL's life was on a knife edge for a few days. We weren't allowed to see any photos until she had regained consciousness and was strong enough to hold the baby herself (understandable!). Snce then strict rules about distribution of photos beyond family/close friends and mean that I often check first and social media is a NO. Kissing was out until recently too, but with the nasty viruses now circulating out there I think theyre right to protect their baby with her still immature immune system (after all, puppies arent allowed outside pre vaccination). I wasn't allowed to take the baby for a walk 'unsupervised' in those early weeks, even though my son and she were badly sleep deprived and could have done with a rest.
However, I make a point of not taking any of it personally and try to respect their desire to be the best parents they can, even if it seems over idealistic.
I'm positive that after their particularly traumatic experience, they will gradually heal and relax 'their rules', given time!
Meanwhile just try to offer uncritical support, difficult though this may be for you.

Dcba Mon 06-Nov-23 13:11:48

Hold tight and get through these next few months abiding by their rules! Life has a way changing rigid rules in any and most situations. If your daughter in law works, then that precious little baby will have to go into daycare or have a child minder, then there’s the terrible two’s when parents can be run ragged by tantrums…..followed by the pick up and drop off at kindergarten, then school holidays when help is needed ……as your granddaughter grows there will be hundreds of opportunities when you’ll be asked to step in…..believe me!

win Mon 06-Nov-23 13:12:44

I am sorry but you do sound totally obsessed with your "Grandbaby" I have actually never heard this terminology before, she is your grandchild. Please leave them alone until they are ready, it is not about what you WANT as you keep saying in your post, it is about what they want, it is their lives and their baby. You can wish for more interaction, I do too, a lot of us on here do, but it does not work like that. The more you push the more they will withdraw. I am totally honest when I say, I'm glad my mother in-law did not put all that pressure on to have contact with our children. It takes some time to settle down to a new life, with work commitments and everything else and they are obviously loving being new parents too.