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Invisible Step-Granny

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SMA1218 Tue 28-May-24 03:17:07

I have been married for 22 years. My husband's ex-wife is also remarried for 22 years to her current husband. I will call her Judee. Judee is unable to restrain herself from intruding when I happen to be at a our grandchildren’s party, ball game etc. She is a bit sly about it all, but she is annoying. For example, (one of many similar situations) We show up at a birthday party. The moment she sees us come in, or the moment we walk over to say hello to the kids, she hovers in the space near us regardless of how large the venue is and then Judee transforms into Grandma Extraordinaire. She starts speaking loudly in a sing song voice, and begins using ridiculous superlatives as she practices soliloquy techniques, and speaks out into the universe near us so that we can hear whatever she is saying. I might be bending down to give the 4-year-old a hug, and in the very near background I hear Judee harping over me interrupting our interaction with something like, "Oh, isn’t she so precious in her lovely sparkling dress, isn't she just gorgeous?" Speaking to no one in particular.
Same party, we decided to leave a bit early and asked if we could let the party girl sit with us in a spot off to the side to open our present for her. My stepdaughter is most agreeable and said, "Sure" We sit down while everyone else is playing and visiting. The moment Judee sees my husband and I sit down with the child, Judee is bounding over, "Oh, is she opening her presents now?" My Stepdaughter says, "No, My Dad and Granny are just letting her open their present." Judee takes a position just above where we are sitting and commentate the entire present opening right down instructing her to tear the paper and to asking the child if she loves it and loudly expressing her opinion to the universe of the "extraordinary" gift.
In addition, we have quit telling my step-daughter when we will be at games, and now we just show up because if she mentions it to her mother in passing, Judee will be there every time doing her best Mary Poppins. She just can't help herself. I am waiting for her to break out in song and dance one day.
Before you chide my husband, we are both at a bit of a lose as to how to make her go away since she is pouring on the nicey nicey, singy songy, with the kids all the while ignoring me, speaking over me, and interrupting any meaningful interaction that I have with the kids.
After trying to ignore her rudeness for years now, I have decided that the next time she hovers and interrupts I am going to stand straight up and say, "Oh my, I am so rude. Did I interrupt yours and Child's conversation or interaction? Excuse me, I will come back when you are finished." I have decided to us my feet to remove myself from the situation. Any helpful suggestion on how to handle a rude interloper who just can't accept that her children and grandchildren actually love me and vice versa. They often come to our house, and all is well and normal when Judee is nowhere to be seen.
It is good just to vent and to put something out on the internet that might help other people as there is a dearth of information about how to handle exes after grandkids come along. She has always ignored me, so this is nothing new. Thank you in advance for helpful kind comments.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 01:24:46

The Rude Interloper comment was only referring to her interfering with my personal space and my personal interactions. I am fully aware that she is the bio relative in this situation, and this is why I am venting here. I see that I really should just stay quiet, and let her continue to make a fool of herself while I take the high ground. She isn't competition, let's just leave it at that.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 01:26:55

eazybee

I have just noticed the 'rude interloper 'comment.
Really?
How childish you are.

The Rude Interloper comment was only referring to her interfering with my personal space and my personal interactions. I am fully aware that she is the bio relative in this situation, and this is why I am venting here. I see that I really should just stay quiet, and let her continue to make a fool of herself while I take the high ground. She isn't competition, let's just leave it at that.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 01:35:19

V3ra

Is it just possible that Judee feels a little bit inadequate or lacking in confidence where you're concerned, so she feels she has to make a song and dance about everything?
I notice she doesn't say anything negative about you or the present you gave your granddaughter.
You could always try a reverse psychology approach with her and greet her like a long lost friend 🤗

You don't mention your son-in-law's parents, are these grandparents also at the children's parties?

The SIL parents are always there. These two are their only grandchildren. They are extremely kind and normal acting. Funny that you should mention them, I do notice that SIL's mother sort of stays away from Judee or just answers questions without making conversation. SIL mother speaks to me often. I also notice that SIL father loves my husband, but never speaks to Judee's husband who is always just sitting in the corner watching the antics.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 01:38:49

Urmstongran

Blimey - so Judee remarried 22 years ago and still wants to be numero uno grandma front & centre. It’s in her DNA and you’ll never change her so don’t try. Irritating though she is to the highest degree, ignore her and keep it zipped. She WILL come out on top by fair means or foul so learn to roll your eyes, shrug and move away from her. You have enough family gatherings without her it seems so accept what you DO have instead of focusing on what you don’t. If you make this into a drama you’ll look silly after all this time and your family could fracture. Don’t risk it I’d say.

You are so right! I am glad I posted this question. I think just rising above and ignoring her is the best thing too. I will continue on with my ignorance to her prodding.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 01:44:22

Grandmabatty

I wouldn't say anything to her, if it was me. If she's as dramatic as she seems to be, that could go badly. In addition, she's your step daughter's mum so that also has challenges. I would ignore her performances. My son in law's father is very much competitive grandad and I'm polite but I don't engage in his antics. My elder grandson loves his grandad very much and it's clear he is his favourite grandparent. I am the favourite of dgs2 at the moment but it all can change. You risk making your step daughter having to defend her mum and fracturing your relationship

You are right. I do remember two occasions many years ago that I sort of took back the narrative from her when she was being nasty when my stepchildren were younger. She did react very very badly and turn it around on me, and I paid the price with my step-children for some time. Even though this isn't "nasty" behavior, she is still in control. She wants me to lose it. Thanks for the prospective. I won't let her rattle my cage any longer. So glad I vented here and got some advice from other Granny's.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 01:46:24

Grandmabatty

I wouldn't say anything to her, if it was me. If she's as dramatic as she seems to be, that could go badly. In addition, she's your step daughter's mum so that also has challenges. I would ignore her performances. My son in law's father is very much competitive grandad and I'm polite but I don't engage in his antics. My elder grandson loves his grandad very much and it's clear he is his favourite grandparent. I am the favourite of dgs2 at the moment but it all can change. You risk making your step daughter having to defend her mum and fracturing your relationship

Very true. I do not want to put my step-daughter through a tug of war.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 01:54:59

Urmstongran

Blimey - so Judee remarried 22 years ago and still wants to be numero uno grandma front & centre. It’s in her DNA and you’ll never change her so don’t try. Irritating though she is to the highest degree, ignore her and keep it zipped. She WILL come out on top by fair means or foul so learn to roll your eyes, shrug and move away from her. You have enough family gatherings without her it seems so accept what you DO have instead of focusing on what you don’t. If you make this into a drama you’ll look silly after all this time and your family could fracture. Don’t risk it I’d say.

Yes! You are right. She will come out on top. I think you are on to something here. She is controlling the situation, and this may just, in-fact, be her "win by foul play" hoping to goad me. Over the 22 years, she has seen me bark back a couple of times and she did come out on top. She is a crafty antagonist. I think she is getting more annoying since I just keep ignoring her. She is trying to push my buttons. Thankfully, we live in another shire about 2 hours away, so I never have to see her unless it is at a kid's event.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 02:22:02

CvD66

How sad this woman sounds! From your description, she really sounds insecure and feels inadequate to you and your husband. As you say, it is different when the children are on their own with you, so do enjoy that. If you begin to see Judee as someone who is unable to behave differently, you might find it easier to tolerate. You and your husband could even rate her behaviour when you have left, to get rid of your frustration with her eg: she was a real 9/10 today wasn’t she!! Rather than letting her behaviour rile her, be ready for it and feel sorry for her. That she needs to behave like this after so many years is really, really sad.

This is great! Yes, her 9/10 performance a couple of weeks ago is what brought me here to vent. This has been very helpful.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 02:29:39

LottieLouise

I know our grandchildren love me so I have no worries about what the other grandparents are doing when I am in their company, I just let them get on with it. Our grandchildren open their presents one after the other in front of all the family so it does not bother me that our present is just one of many.

All that matters is that you are at the party with everyone else but do not think for one moment that what your step daughter's mum is doing does not go unnoticed by everyone else, these antics of hers have not just started, this is the person she is and perhaps why your husband divorced her.

Just keep quiet about it, you do not want to cause trouble with your step daughter over a stupid woman who I think feels insecure in her own life. Just enjoy the get togethers, they don't last long.

For sure! I know everyone see it. It is like watching a trainwreck.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 02:45:21

NotSpaghetti

Your grandchild/grandchildren will eventually see it.
Just love them as you do.
They know - and that's the main thing.

Try to make her irrelevant in your mind.
flowers

Good Idea.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 02:54:19

DiamondLily

She’s not really an interloper - she’s the child’s “birth” granny.

There will often be underlying tensions in this sort of thing. Blended families are fine, but they are not always straightforward.

I would rise above it. If you create an issue, you don’t know what way your step-daughter would jump.😗

Totally, SD would have to jump to her mom. Mom's love is conditional, mine isn't. In fact, when the grandchildren were younger, SD's couldn't even say the word Granny to the kids in my presence because her mom was adamant that I was not their grandmother, she was. But, my own grandkids were almost always here for family functions, and everyone calls me Granny, so eventually they started calling me Granny too and it stuck. I am their Granny. It is actually quite funny. I don't look like a Granny at all, but I chose it because my own Granny was so wonderful and everyone loves Granny. Right?

Whethertomorrow Wed 29-May-24 02:58:42

Have you tried winking at her, with a slight smile on your face? When no one else is looking if you can manage it.

It’s an action that causes great consternation to the person receiving it. It conveys humour (I’m laughing at your behaviour), I know what you’re doing(you know I know you know) without saying anything, I’m not bothered by what you’re doing, it can be construed as a friendly welcoming gesture, and can easily be denied with ‘I’ve got something in my eye’.

It might make you feel that you have given her permission to behave how she does and lessen the sting for you.

It’s a good wind up if you want to go that route.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 03:03:16

Hithere

Adding to what callistemom said

The competition game doesn't work if one of the players doesn't want to play it

They were separated when I met my future husband, and she was already in a relationship with her current husband having met him while she was still married and living with husband #1. They weren't happy and she strayed, often.

You are right. I am not going to volley the ball back to her. She can play by herself against a blank wall.

I totally got the better man. She is most likely still kicking herself looking at all she gave up for the under-employed man she married. Seriously!

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 03:28:03

This is awesome. I may just try that if I can find the right moment. She usually doesn't look at me, she looks through me, talks around me and over me, but it could work if she stays still long enough. You know how it is with a Broadway performance; they have to keep moving to keep the audience's attention. Like I said, she Mary Poppins or maybe Mrs. Bucket, oh, I mean Bouquet.

You will find this funny, one of the things my husband loves about me, in his own words, is because "You wink at me with your big blue/green eyes"

I am feeling better after reading these posts and being able to respond. It just feels nice to vent and get it out. I also wanted to start a thread for other's who may have an insufferable ex that is raining on their efforts to have meaningful interactions with sweet little people they love.

It has always been my philosophy that you can never have too many people love your children. I made a point to always be kind to my ex-husband's next three wives. I know they were doing all the work, and I wanted them to care about my kids without the grief. My girls are still in contact with the step siblings they got to know over the years.

NotSpaghetti Wed 29-May-24 08:18:28

Do not play games. Please don't wink at her!

Just be you, be kind and generous.
As the children grow, as long as you are still in a "positive" contact with them, all this nonsense will pass.

dragonfly46 Wed 29-May-24 09:56:29

Can I just say that I am the paternal GM and my DiL has a step-mother. When our first DGC was born I was asked what I wanted to be called. I said Granny and was told the step-mother was going to be Granny. I did feel a little miffed.

As it happens my DS thought 2 grannies was fine but my DiL stepped in and said I would be Granny and her step-mother Granny xxx (her name).

We all get on fine although we don't see much of the other family but unreasonably I felt at the time I had more rights than the step-mother did,

eazybee Wed 29-May-24 10:04:14

SMA1218: Invisible Step- Granny?

I don't think so. hmm

pascal30 Wed 29-May-24 10:46:04

I also wouldn't wink at her, that is playing into her behaviour, I would just go with the expectation that she will behave like this and calmly observe her behaviour.. it could be amusing.. and you are then the person completely, but silently, in control. Never make negative comments about her..

Smileless2012 Wed 29-May-24 11:18:20

Your 'place' SMA is at your husband's side as his wife, step mum to his D and step GM to her child.

The only way to win the game with someone like this is to refuse to play. She clearly has insecurities so be thankful that you don't share them. It's a shame that she doesn't see herself the way I'm sure the majority of people who know her, do.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 16:33:10

dragonfly46

Can I just say that I am the paternal GM and my DiL has a step-mother. When our first DGC was born I was asked what I wanted to be called. I said Granny and was told the step-mother was going to be Granny. I did feel a little miffed.

As it happens my DS thought 2 grannies was fine but my DiL stepped in and said I would be Granny and her step-mother Granny xxx (her name).

We all get on fine although we don't see much of the other family but unreasonably I felt at the time I had more rights than the step-mother did,

Judee is Grandma and SIL's mother is also Grandma. I am the only Granny. My grandkids were already calling me Granny prior to Step's being born, but they could have called me anything, but organically they just picked up on what the others were calling me. It was only Judee that had an issue with me.

As an aside, my husband is Grandad, Judee's husband is Grandad, and SIL's father is Grandad.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 16:36:53

eazybee

SMA1218: Invisible Step- Granny?

I don't think so. hmm

So True! She just likes to act as if I am invisible.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 16:38:49

Smileless2012

Your 'place' SMA is at your husband's side as his wife, step mum to his D and step GM to her child.

The only way to win the game with someone like this is to refuse to play. She clearly has insecurities so be thankful that you don't share them. It's a shame that she doesn't see herself the way I'm sure the majority of people who know her, do.

Oh, I know, but it is fun to think about winking at her. I will keep my cool. My family relationships are more important than her sideshow. It is good to vent.

SMA1218 Wed 29-May-24 17:18:19

pascal30

I also wouldn't wink at her, that is playing into her behaviour, I would just go with the expectation that she will behave like this and calmly observe her behaviour.. it could be amusing.. and you are then the person completely, but silently, in control. Never make negative comments about her..

Good advice, I won't wink at her, but it is fun to think about it. I am actually always in control. She is really just a bit of a nuisance.

I can remember when my husband and I first met, he told me that she researched me, my profession, my education, my family, like you do? Judee said to him, "She is just what you have always wanted." Apparently, despite her best efforts at intruding and different iterations of pesky behavior over the years, I am still standing with all my dignity intact.

This will pass. I could tell so many stories about her trifling behavior at graduations, weddings, baby showers, soccer games...what's a few more moments, right?

I actually, feel bad for my SD, but she is smart, and I think she just knows her mom and ignores it all as much as possible. I can see and sense her discomfort sometimes.

Nannashirlz Sun 02-Jun-24 15:04:13

If I told you about my lads inlaws I’d be here all day lol but i feel your pain i just let them get on with it and ignore them when they go over the top and smile while biting my bottom lip. Like they say you can pick your friends but not your family lol

SMA1218 Tue 04-Jun-24 04:19:52

NANNASHIRLZ- TOTALLY! I got the ex-wife forever right along with my husband. I just think....I would have divorced her too. I do bite my lip, but it is hard. She enjoys every minute of it, and I dare not fight back. I guess that's what really bothers me.

Do Tell....I am curious!