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Peggypatch Wed 05-Nov-25 07:08:52

Hi, New on here, and just would like some honest opinions as I feel like the big bad wolf.
I am just recovering from skin cancer surgery, skin graft on lower leg. Husband also has Prostate cancer, we are in our late 60s. I have three children, 2 live in London around 3 hours away with 2 small grachildren. ( who we try and see as often as possible). Third is local and single. My dil and son with grandchildren have just stayed for a few nights.
My daughter. , her partner , and my local Son are staying over Christmas. My elder with Dil and grachildren asked could they stay, but I was sorry I really can't cope with 9 in the house for around 4 nights and said no, but lets do alternative Xmases. My dil is now sending nasty messages and told me I am not welcome at her house ( we are going in November to see them but stay in a hotel). I have to meet my son in the park to see my grandchildren. I feel sorry guilty,

BlueBelle Wed 05-Nov-25 07:20:42

Hi and welcome Peggypatch I totally understand your reasoning but I also understand how your daughter in law feels, as they are going to feel left out

I would have put up with the mess and noise and turmoil for four days and then gone to bed for a week afterwards ( joking)
I can see how the left out ones would feel rejected and treated differently, it doesn’t give your daughter in law the right to send you nasty messages but I can understand the hurt caused
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Surely if they are the only ones with children you d want the little ones for Christmas ! Anyway it’s done now even if you invited them now it wouldn’t work, the rift has been created.

Good luck I hope the hurt eases out over time

Peggypatch Wed 05-Nov-25 08:11:36

Thank you. I know I feel torn between the devil and deep blue sea. But my son didn't ask could he stay, he just pursumed. I really don't want people sleeping on sofas, etc. We have just had them for a week, I have hosted xmas for over 40 years ( even my husband comes for dinner). So feel I need a break, I would love someone to ask me for xmas dinner.

Peggypatch Wed 05-Nov-25 08:14:03

Meant to say, my ex husband comes as well.
As I would hate him being on his own.

keepingquiet Wed 05-Nov-25 08:20:50

You have hosted Christmas for over 40 years and therefore lies the problem.

Sometimes things have to change- you have been ill, you are not getting any younger, and your children seem to take your hospitality for granted.

You would love someone to ask you to dinner and I don't blame you!

Maybe you need to have some honest conversations about how you can bring about some changes without causing a rift in the family.

Stop feeling guilty and start to accept things have to change, and that can happen without a family war breaking out.

It sounds to me like your kids take you for granted and it is time to start asserting yourself.

You won't be here forever and they need to start and recognise that.

J52 Wed 05-Nov-25 08:22:12

What a dreadful situation for you. Your DIL is completely out of order and extremely rude. Your DS is the person who should discuss her attitude with her.
I would send him the messages so that he gets the picture. I’d carry on with my plans including visiting and if necessary see the children in the park, museum, cafe or wherever appropriate. Hope things get sorted for you.

karmalady Wed 05-Nov-25 08:24:38

Peggypatch, many of us have `done` Christmas for 40 years and many of us have managed to turn it around so that the AC now do the donkeywork and in my case, I have already had my invites to stay with them. It is like a big slow ship and needs to be turned around but it takes time

The realisation needs to come from them, so stop being so competent by doing it all, they would never know how you really feel if you put on a front and I don`t just mean for Christmas but by having them stay for so long

A half-way house might be agreeable, air BnB or a premier inn or similar, even better would be a large holiday cottage and they could each bring a part of the meal. Somehow you need to prise yourself out of future commitments, while still seeing them

GoodAfternoonTea Wed 05-Nov-25 08:35:36

I would have put out a huge message to everyone involved, stated how I and my husband were feeling, that it was all too much for us and what do they all suggest. Like that everyone is included, you set the scene for them to organise themselves and also for the future. Your DIl is not very pleasant to do that to you and guilt trip you and indeed, it should have been your son to speak to her. We need to be more open about how we feel and other people need to start listening.

Esmay Wed 05-Nov-25 08:36:18

Hi Peggypatch
And welcome!
And very sadly welcome to the World of spoilt relatives!
Of course ,it's much to much for you to
entertain so many people at Christmas ,but that doesn't suit your DIL .
Now she's displayed her temper and is sulking and punishing you .
Nothing prepared me for the way that my kids and my DIL have behaved over the past few years .
It's not my fault that my father was very ill downstairs and on oxygen and the small house wasn't comfortable for them to visit .
Despite that -
I decorated the house and gardens,spent a months house keeping in Waitrose ,was up most of night trying to ensure that everything was perfect and welcomed them too despite feeling completely exhausted trying to please everyone .

One daughter stopped communicating ,
one laid down the law about having to eat much earlier than I could prepare the food and my son told me that visiting was depressing and he didn't want to .

Now I'm alone at Christmas and Easter .

I don't have a magic solution for you .

If you back down and invite them then they realise how you can be black mailed into giving in .
Maybe if you set out some ground rules ie - they are responsible for clearing up -setting the table and washing up.
It's unbelievable that they can't see how tired you are .
Wishing you lots of luck with your problem.
Take care.

Oreo Wed 05-Nov-25 08:36:27

You are not the one being unreasonable your DIL is, and she’s massively out of order!
She’s young and fit and you aren’t, moreover you have just hosted them all at yours.
It’s a good idea to let all your AC know that Christmas can now be a struggle for you and that you will be doing alternating hosting for Christmas Day, the ones local to you this year and the family further away next year but only for 2 days max.
Stick to it!

Farmor15 Wed 05-Nov-25 08:38:10

A few years ago I told my son who lives abroad with partner and 2 children that I found Christmas very stressful and I couldn't cope with them coming for Christmas. We would just have 2 single sons and ourselves. It was great!! I think my son was a bit upset at first, but their children enjoyed having Christmas in their own house.
I did give plenty of notice so they could get used to the idea.
Sometimes you just have to tell your children how you feel.

Sarnia Wed 05-Nov-25 09:01:20

If it was me I would invite them all but make it clear they need to pitch in to help. Life is so short and family is important. Make it the best Christmas you can, for the children, especially. A bit of mess isn't the end of the world, neither is someone sleeping on a sofa for a couple of nights.
In this unsettled world of ours there are too many people who won't be spending Christmas with those they love.

Oreo Wed 05-Nov-25 09:06:25

Why should older parents keep doing it all? They’re the ones who always did it for their children and often older relatives for donkeys years.How about the ones with kids inviting their own parents for Christmas now and then?

Flippinheck Wed 05-Nov-25 09:08:29

A perfect example of unreasonable entitlement and lack of empathy. Where is the care and understanding for you and your DH? In my opinion (often wrong) you need to have a very frank, calm discussion with all of them to shake them out of their selfishness.
I wish you well.

Witzend Wed 05-Nov-25 09:13:29

I do feel for you, OP, and in the circs. your DiL is being very unreasonable.

We once had 9 for Christmas (all adults for 3/4 nights) plus 3 extra dogs! - and it was hard work, especially feeding everybody, but I was a lot younger and perfectly fit, so it was fine. I would think twice about it now!

Given the health of you and your dh, and your ages, you are not being in the least unreasonable. I would hope that your other family members would make these points to your DiL.

Babs03 Wed 05-Nov-25 09:13:36

I have done Christmas for 47 years. This year am caring for my DH who has had a stroke so will be the first year I can’t do it. I honestly won’t miss it. There are 11 all told, 8 DDs and SILs and 3 small GCs. Have struggled for years and found it so exhausting that I dreaded this time of year.
Really should have had this conversation with the family years ago.
Don’t feel guilty feel empowered to now have that chat with all the family about how with getting older and ill health you just aren’t up to doing Christmas at yours and ask for their input with regard to solutions.
Don’t make it your problem share it out.
And your DiL is being a baby about this, but have every faith she will come round if you and your DH have this conversation with them all now.

LOUISA1523 Wed 05-Nov-25 09:21:50

Peggypatch

Thank you. I know I feel torn between the devil and deep blue sea. But my son didn't ask could he stay, he just pursumed. I really don't want people sleeping on sofas, etc. We have just had them for a week, I have hosted xmas for over 40 years ( even my husband comes for dinner). So feel I need a break, I would love someone to ask me for xmas dinner.

My children would never ask...when they left home I told told them this is always their home no matter what ....and you don't have to ask to come home....can't you just suck it up? ....I was having cancer treatmentment one year ....all 3 and 3 grandkids arrived....big mess...lots of noise but they wanted to be together and they wanted to be with me and that meant the world

LOUISA1523 Wed 05-Nov-25 09:24:21

Farmor15

A few years ago I told my son who lives abroad with partner and 2 children that I found Christmas very stressful and I couldn't cope with them coming for Christmas. We would just have 2 single sons and ourselves. It was great!! I think my son was a bit upset at first, but their children enjoyed having Christmas in their own house.
I did give plenty of notice so they could get used to the idea.
Sometimes you just have to tell your children how you feel.

This would make me feel very hurt ... I could never exclude a child because they have grandchildren...it would be all or none

LOUISA1523 Wed 05-Nov-25 09:25:55

Peggypatch

Thank you. I know I feel torn between the devil and deep blue sea. But my son didn't ask could he stay, he just pursumed. I really don't want people sleeping on sofas, etc. We have just had them for a week, I have hosted xmas for over 40 years ( even my husband comes for dinner). So feel I need a break, I would love someone to ask me for xmas dinner.

Get them to do all the cooking etc ??

M0nica Wed 05-Nov-25 09:29:47

Too late now, but for anyone else in that situation. Raise the problem with the family well in advance, say over the summer holidays, that age and illness mean that you can no longer cope as the base for a big family Christmas and then ask them for suggestions as to how the family could continue to have a family Christmas in a way that takes the burden off you.

While I think the OP probably could have gone about this event better. I think her DiL is behaving like spoilt brat and needs to grow up.

madeleine45 Wed 05-Nov-25 09:39:45

I can see that your DiL felt she was the only one left out but that gives her no right to send nasty messages and by now she may actually feel bad about her instant reaction.

My idea is to use something quite different to reset the christmas situation and avoid the firing line too, by putting someone else in that place who doesnt care or even need to know. Simply declare that the doctor has said that having checked say - your bloods or you might be aneamic- that it is not to do with any cancer but that you need to rest and do little and that you will be having another check up in January and see what if anything needs to be done then, but that you are doing too much and should be taking things easy and having early nights etc etc. The worry of your husbands condition is also affecting you and you should be relaxing as much as possible and therefore sorry you are not able to host christmas at your home this year.

Then you could perhaps suggest a meal or meeting somewhere convenient to you all, but where you could be taken by one of the family or go on the train or whatever and not be responsible for any of the arrangements. This way you can hope to spend pleasant time with your family, chatting and looking at the childrens gifts etc etc., but with a clear intention of sitting around and NOT being the organisers of any of it, apart from asking which one of them will be picking you up!! Then in the new year , you can carefully drip feed the new arrangments for your life, by mentioning that you are not going to some meeting or other , and how you no longer are the secretary for the WI or the garden club or whatever. This should at least make them see that you are needing to step back in general, that it is not just them , and they might begin to realize that as they are getting older, so are you, and their attitude of taking all that you do for them needs to alter and they need to step up to the mark!!

In the meantime you can also begin to mention other friends of your own age who are now no longer flying off to wherever to their families as it is too much for them these days. By implication you are telling them that this applies to you too. So as this is beginning to sink in, you could then in the new year , if christmas has gone reasonably well, suggest that you could possibly try and meet each separate child with their family for a meal at a restaurant or cafe which is convenient for you and them, or for example if you are a RHS member you could meet at a garden, which would allow you all to have a pleasant time walking round and then go to a pub or cafe close by for a lunch. There would be plenty of choice being after christmas, and you would get good service and have no problem getting a table and a choice of NON christmas food too. The one other suggestion I have is if you could afford it, look for a hotel that is about equidistant between the children and go and stay for a couple of days there and invite them to come and see you there. Whether you see them all on one day and perhaps organise a lunch somewhere nearby, or perhaps if you were near the coast you could organise a fish and chip meeting and going on the pier with the children, or inland perhaps there is a museum or national trust property that you have always wanted to see and you could combine that with them meeting you in some way. So you show that you still want to be involved as much as ever with the family , but that it has to be in a more sensible and reasonable fashion. This way you show no favouritism to one or other child and family, but you actually are really saying loud and clear by your actions that as my MinL used to say "Lockharts cafe is shut!" which meant she was no longer making the tea or whatever or she had finished serving and anything more could be got by other people!! So remember "Lockharts cafe is shut!" Pin the notice near your phone, and by the door and practise it for the future. Wishing you success in the new venture and you will find many good and helpful things on Gransnet and people can have ideas that you have never thought of. We do not have to agree, and you may think the ideas here are crazy but it is good to know that you are not on your own and many people have faced similar situations. Wishing you all the best and hope that the new year brings new ways of living.

notoveryet Wed 05-Nov-25 10:11:00

I had also done Christmas for many years but knew I couldnt go on in the same way. Two years ago I hosted for 14 people but I did tell everyone it would be the last time of me doing it. We had a marvelous day and they all stayed the night (plus 3 dogs and 3 cats) sleeping on chairs and the floor. I was exhausted but its a happy memory and I now go to one of them. Could you maybe do something similar, stating your plans very clearly and with no argument.

keepingquiet Wed 05-Nov-25 13:25:26

When my kids came along and we had our own family we always stayed home for Christmas, because that's where the kids want to be when Father Christmas calls.

It would have seemed unfair to them to drag them elsewhere and we just spend the day at home all four of us.

I never expected my parents to carry on doing Christmas for me when I left home.

Being a nurse I had to go to work most Christmasses anyway...

Peggypatch Wed 05-Nov-25 13:56:31

Thank you for your reply. My DlL has alot of family in London, so me suggesting alternative Xmases I didn't think would be a problem . But yes I am very upset by her messages and have explained that it would be too much for me. My middle son who is local ( no partner) always works on boxing day, so I wouldn't leave him on his own, even though he says its ok.

Madgran77 Wed 05-Nov-25 14:16:40

Why dont you invite them all over and have an honest discussion about ALL of it? Explain about illness etc ; being older and more tired etc. Acknowledge DILs "hurt" (even though hard to do etc) and say your intention was never to exclude or hurt but to try to manage your new circumstances as you get older. Dont suggest solutions. Ask if they can suggest a way to now manage things so that you can all enjoy your times together 💐