Camilla

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Iam64

Maybe I used the word grooming incorrectly - thanks Anniebach. In any event, I didn’t see Charles as grooming Diana, more the work of the men in suits.
It was a tragedy for both of them, their unsuitable relationship made into a nonsense fairy tale which fell apart in such a sad and public way

It was a tragedy for both of them, their unsuitable relationship made into a nonsense fairy tale which fell apart in such a sad and public way

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Indeed.

The two grandmothers were keen too, as far as I remember.

They weren't the ones getting married.

TerriBull - why didn't Diana's own family see how unsuited they were?
I wouldn't have wanted to rush my daughter into a very public marriage so quickly.

It really amazes me.

Charles will be a better king with Camilla, I like her for that reason and because she seems down to earth. Dian would not have made a good queen, IMHO. I don’t agree with all the wealth they have etc. and the whole “thing” needs to be be slimmed down to a small core of working royals.

NotSpaghetti

TerriBull - why didn't Diana's own family see how unsuited they were?
I wouldn't have wanted to rush my daughter into a very public marriage so quickly.

It really amazes me.

Her grandmother was pushing for the marriage.

What of her father ? For me the villain of the tragedy, he was an equerry to the queen and her father,

I do think Diana married Charles to pleased her father, it is well recorded that her parents wanted a son after two daughters, but another daughter, inheriting titles is so important to these people.

Nannies have spoken of how jealous Diana was over her father, she pushed her step mother down the stairs .

A damaged child .

I'm looking forward to Saturday and am going to London to see the procession, also recording it on the TV to watch afterwards. I think Camilla will do a good job as Queen. She supports the King well but doesn't hog the limelight. He is certainly a happier man since they married. Good luck to them.

I think Camilla’s fine. She knows when to keep her mouth shut, she blends into their family and seems to be a good support for her husband. I am one of the very few who always thought Diana was flaky. Very good looking and all that but not a future Queen and never would have been. Very sad how it has turned out with Harry but families are like that, everyone is different.

I know this isn't really relevant here, but I felt I'd like to post this from some years ago.
A beautiful written piece by Hilary Mantel on the myth of the princess which some of you may also enjoy:

www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/26/the-princess-myth-hilary-mantel-on-diana

I went back to find it Callistemon, because I remembered it saying that Ruth Fermoy had actually advised against the marriage saying they were a different sort of people... but the bit that I found interesting this time round was about what would have happened if she'd had an "ordinary" life.

Thoughtful piece of writing by one of my favorite authors. I enjoyed Wolfe Hall very much.

Thank you, NotSpaghetti, that was an interesting read.

Also thanks, NotSpaghetti- she writes very well and has great insight.

Slightly off piste as I don’t want to start another royal thread.

I wonder if Harry will swear allegiance to the King at the Coronation. The tv cameras are bound to film him at this moment.

NanKate

Slightly off piste as I don’t want to start another royal thread.

I wonder if Harry will swear allegiance to the King at the Coronation. The tv cameras are bound to film him at this moment.

I read that nobody will swear allegiance except William.

Thanks Sparklefizz I didn’t realise that. 👍

I like Camilla and think she is perfect for Charles and the Royal family. BUT I just can’t think of her as Queen. Consort ok but not Queen. Prince Phillip never became King but was always the Queens ‘stead and stay’.

Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon, wife of King George VI, became Queen Elizabeth after her husband was crowned king. She kept that title until her husband died and Elizabeth II was crowned, when she became Queen Elizabeth, the Queen Mother, eventually shortened in general use to The Queen Mother.

Gingster

I like Camilla and think she is perfect for Charles and the Royal family. BUT I just can’t think of her as Queen. Consort ok but not Queen. Prince Phillip never became King but was always the Queens ‘stead and stay’.

No, but as I understand it, if Philip had become king he would have outranked the Queen. This is why Elizabeth 1st never married. As King, Charles will outrank Camilla whatever she is called, so the line of succession remains in place.

volver3

Well this is what you get with a hereditary monarchy, you don't get to choose who is crowned, they do.

If only there was a way of choosing who was Head of State...

There's an idea!

The Queen said she should be known as Queen Consort and now she is to be queen. This doesn’t sit well with me. Yes they get on well but Queen is hard to swallow.

Charles’s granny was Queen Consort , but always known as Queen 👸

The difference is the same as that between Elizabeth 1st and her mother, Anne Boleyn. Elizabeth was a ruler, she was Queen in her own right and Head of State. Anne was Queen, but only as long as she was married to Henry (who could have divorced her, in which case she would have lost the title). It was an honorary title, Queen in name only. Camilla, and Kate in her turn, will be the same.

QE2 was Queen in her own right, so Philip wasn't King. There isn't a male equivalent of an honorary Queen. He would automatically have outranked her.

Is this still rumbling on?It has been explained many, times.

However I was interested to note when the Queen made her views public, ie in February of last year. I wonder if that was when the diagnosis of her bone cancer brought it home to her that a plan for Comilla’s title on Charles’s accession to the throne had to be in place?

Apologies -Camilla (off with her head!)

Gingster

I like Camilla and think she is perfect for Charles and the Royal family. BUT I just can’t think of her as Queen. Consort ok but not Queen. Prince Phillip never became King but was always the Queens ‘stead and stay’.

Ditto

Koalama

As a royalist but also a princess Diana fan, I'm struggling, I can't stand to see camilla crowned queen, I don't want to watch, it's making me less of a royalist, I wish he'd just pass it on to William and Kate

I'm curious as to why this was posted under "Health".

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