Camilla

Diana wasn’t princess Diana

volver3

Well this is what you get with a hereditary monarchy, you don't get to choose who is crowned, they do.

If only there was a way of choosing who was Head of State...

I fear that the great British public would vote for someone like Nigel Farage though….…

Tell me you're not serious MayBee70.

Why would anyone say that when we've had it posted innumerable times, so its neither original nor likely.

they vted for Boris Johnson though

Well they havent ever voted for farage to be an mp previously so it's probably unlikely.

Galaxy

Well they havent ever voted for farage to be an mp previously so it's probably unlikely.

I’d like to think that is the case but I’m not so sure. If it’s a countrywide vote he has so much support from some parts of society.

JaneJudge

they vted for Boris Johnson though

So? Its a quiet morning so I'll do this again.

Any President would not have political power, the PM will still have the political power.

And if we don't like the president, we can vote them out after 4(?) years?

You're stuck with Charles, William and George for the next 90 years, whether you like it or not.

you are preaching to the wrong person

I'm not a staunch Royalist but I do enjoy reading about them. (it's like a soap opera) I've come to the following conclusions:

1) No one prevented Charles from marrying Camilla, he dithered for so long she eventually fell in love with Andrew P B so married him instead.

2) When he married Diana he had a few mistresses in the background, one was an Australian woman he called Kanga who was madly in love with him and never got over it.

3) Camilla wasn't the only one Diana was Jealous of, she publicly humiliated Tiggy LB by insinuating Tiggy had been pregnant with Charles' baby

4) Charles went on TV and told Johnathan Dimbleby that he only resumed his relationship with Camilla once his marriage had broken down. For all his faults I don't think he would lie about it but it does make a mockery of the "three of us in this marriage" line.

5) Diana had a few affairs with married men making her the third person in those marriages.

6) Camilla likes dogs - Diana didn't.

There's no denying Diana was a wonderful mother and did some very good work but she was also brilliant at manipulating the media and writing her own version of history. Camilla has made Charles very happy and seems able to handle his moods and tantrums. I have no problem with her being queen.

MayBee70

Galaxy

Well they havent ever voted for farage to be an mp previously so it's probably unlikely.

I’d like to think that is the case but I’m not so sure. If it’s a countrywide vote he has so much support from some parts of society.

So? If that's who the British people want as Head of State, who are you to say they can't have him?

Not that I think he'd have any chance at all.

JaneJudge

you are preaching to the wrong person

I thought I was .

Sorry!

Well yes we either believe in democracy or we dont.

6) Camilla likes dogs - Diana didn't.

Diana didn’t like country life - Camilla loves country life

Only "stuck with them " because of a high degree of ignorance amongst jo/joe public.I've heard so much bilge the past two weeks about the coronation .
"We need to hope Charlie lives a long time or we'll get Andrew"
,said one worthy
"Will Camillas son take over if Charlie dies or will she just carry on as Queen "
Just two of many !!
From people who have lived for 60 years or more ,have had good jobs and decent lives ...maybe its just that they've never been interested in whats going on around them ,but surely people know the basic rules of "hereditary monarchy"?
If they dont then why the hell do they think its OK to still have them?

Anniebach

What of her father ? For me the villain of the tragedy, he was an equerry to the queen and her father,

I do think Diana married Charles to pleased her father, it is well recorded that her parents wanted a son after two daughters, but another daughter, inheriting titles is so important to these people.

Nannies have spoken of how jealous Diana was over her father, she pushed her step mother down the stairs .

A damaged child .

Diana was 15 when her father married. It was 13 years later when she pushed her stepmother, so she wasn't a child.
All the Spencer children hated their step mum and called her Acid Raine.

Yet they became so close

volver3

MayBee70

Galaxy

Well they havent ever voted for farage to be an mp previously so it's probably unlikely.

I’d like to think that is the case but I’m not so sure. If it’s a countrywide vote he has so much support from some parts of society.

So? If that's who the British people want as Head of State, who are you to say they can't have him?

Not that I think he'd have any chance at all.

If that happened I really would have to leave the country! Not sure where I’d go but I couldn’t remain here! Unless I bought a house in the middle of nowhere with no access to the outside world a la Hannah Hauxwell and pretended it hadn’t happened!

volver3

Tell me you're not serious MayBee70.

Why would anyone say that when we've had it posted innumerable times, so its neither original nor likely.

... it's not an original observation, but it does cause pause for thought when you are on multiple social media sites and discover that there appear to be an awful lot of posters who believe that he's "got it right" (or words to that effect).

I'm still dumbfounded that Jeremy Clarkson remains so popular with so many people, but apparently he says "what we all think".

Hateful, racist, bigoted high profile figures might be more popular than you realise. Look at the number of people who still think "Boris" should be brought back into the fold.

You don't need me to tell you that anti-asylum seeker, anti-immigrant feeling is pretty strong in this country right now... the disenfranchised underbelly think they're the cause of our problems and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if individuals like Farage regain their previous popularity.

I'd like to believe it's just not possible. But I didn't think we'd Brexit, either...

In a world where Trump can become president of the USA (and is likely to get the nomination to run again) and Johnson can become PM of this country with a massive majority I think anything is possible. And Charles is probably the lesser of many evils! I sometimes feel as if I’m living in some sort of alternative universe

We don’t have a TV either Baggs. I like watching the Horse Guards on YouTube though, beautiful well trained creatures.

MayBee70

In a world where Trump can become president of the USA (and is likely to get the nomination to run again) and Johnson can become PM of this country with a massive majority I think anything is possible. And Charles is probably the lesser of many evils! I sometimes feel as if I’m living in some sort of alternative universe

Well, in the event that we had an elected Head of State Boris could still be voted in as PM and try to make the mess of the country that he did.

Except with an elected HoS with a proper role in a constitution, not just a role signing off the documents that the PM tells him to, we would have an extra layer of safeguards. The PM wouldn't be able to adjourn Parliament when he fancied, no matter how big his/her majority, because that would be illegal. And it is the HoS who would tell him so and hold him to account on behalf of the people.

I'd much rather have a grown up system of governance than a bunch of charities with the King's picture on the wall of their offices.

To be fair to them the House of Lords have been doing a reasonable job of keeping the government in check ( or at least trying to) for the past few years ( and I can’t believe I’m saying this!).

So many people posting on here seem to have no understanding of why Prince Philip was not King Philip and why the wife of a King is called “Queen”. Camilla IS and will always be a “Queen Consort “ and as has always been the case, she will be known as “Queen”, just as Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was when her husband became King. It has been the same for all the women who married Kings before Elizabeth Bowes- Lyon. It’s really not that difficult, is it? 🙄.

NotSpaghetti

I know this isn't really relevant here, but I felt I'd like to post this from some years ago.
A beautiful written piece by Hilary Mantel on the myth of the princess which some of you may also enjoy:

www.theguardian.com/books/2017/aug/26/the-princess-myth-hilary-mantel-on-diana

I went back to find it Callistemon, because I remembered it saying that Ruth Fermoy had actually advised against the marriage saying they were a different sort of people... but the bit that I found interesting this time round was about what would have happened if she'd had an "ordinary" life.

A fascinating article, thank you, so perceptive and well written.
I have never read any of Hilary Mantel’s novels, not being a fan of historical fiction, but she writes like a dream here; a chilling summing up of the Diana phenomenon.