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Child Bride dies

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sunseeker Tue 10-Sept-13 09:24:54

An 8 year old girl in the Yemen, married to a man believed to be around 40, has died from internal bleeding sustained on her wedding night. In 2010 a 12 year old Yemeni girl died after being in labour for 3 days.

When is the practice of marrying off children to much older men be internationally outlawed? The Yemen did introduce a law banning marriage under the age of 15 but their parliament annulled the law in the 1990s. Claiming it is part of the culture doesn't make it right.

I can't begin to imagine the suffering of this poor child.

NfkDumpling Tue 10-Sept-13 09:30:13

That is so awful. How could any parent do that - unless they were in a terrible position themselves. I suppose unless we know the full facts we can't altogether judge. But that poor child. And there must be others.

thatbags Tue 10-Sept-13 09:34:23

We bloody can judge! Raping children is wrong. Full stop. Damn the culture that allows it! angry

thatbags Tue 10-Sept-13 09:43:12

An eight year old won't even have reached puberty. It's completely evil and barbaric to allow this to happen in any human culture.

whenim64 Tue 10-Sept-13 09:52:28

Yes, Bags no child should be violated like this. It's barbaric and not acceptable in any culture, no matter how desperate the parents are.

gracesmum Tue 10-Sept-13 09:52:52

Totally nauseated by these two incidents - presumably the tip of an iceberg. Even medieval "child" marriages waited until the bride was 14 before being consummated (apart form Margaret Beaufort) I'm afraid we can and have to judge - this is morally wrong whatever the circumstances, whatever the culture.

BAnanas Tue 10-Sept-13 09:56:42

I read this and it made me want to weep for that poor little girl. How can this be right? when I first read about little girls being married off to older men in different cultures, I kind of assumed it was similar to when young royalty/nobility were married as children way back in time, sometimes by proxy and the marriage was consummated at a later stage. Not that I think it's acceptable for a teenager to have to unwillingly have sex with a much older man. It really shocks me to think that any society could sanction what in effect is the rape of a child, truly appalling. Although this didn't happen in our country I don't think we should creep around other cultures sensitivities when they carry out practices which are clearly so wrong.

hummingbird Tue 10-Sept-13 09:59:52

What kind of world do we live in? angry

whenim64 Tue 10-Sept-13 10:05:25

I saw a report at the weekend - can't remember which paper now, possible DM online - that 2,000 girls had attended hospital in this country in the last 3 or 4 years, following female genital mutilation abroad. Something is terribly wrong when children continue to be subjected to such barbaric treatment.

whenim64 Tue 10-Sept-13 10:08:30

Here it is - last but one sentence.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415492/Dentist-Omar-Addow-struck-offering-perform-female-genital-mutilation-girls.html

Greatnan Tue 10-Sept-13 10:10:20

And still some people tell us we must respect all cultures.

Greatnan Tue 10-Sept-13 10:20:19

The CPS has said it is not in the public interest to prosecute two Asian doctors who offered to abort female foetuses.

AlieOxon Tue 10-Sept-13 10:24:14

I have a copy of an alarmingly truthful book called 'Mother India' written in 1927. It tells of the terrible things happening to women then in India..........I don't think that there have been many changes in some areas since then.

Greatnan Tue 10-Sept-13 10:26:04

I was always surprised when people like the Beatles went to India because they admired the wisdom they would find there.

Ana Tue 10-Sept-13 10:47:15

I think the Beatles were more influenced by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and the Transcendental Meditation movement to visit India rather than any serious interest in India itself.

thatbags Tue 10-Sept-13 11:18:38

Here's how to tackle FGM.

feetlebaum Tue 10-Sept-13 11:20:55

Ah - the myth of 'Ancient Wisdom' - beloved of New Agers and con-men...

Lilygran Tue 10-Sept-13 12:19:35

There was a discussion about FGM on television some months ago with representatives of various EU countries. The Frenchwoman said that in France, girls have a gynaecological examination when they have a routine milestone check and parents know this will take place, she felt this was helpful in stopping the practice. Seems a good point to me. Why don't we do this?

JessM Tue 10-Sept-13 12:21:24

Yes load of tut. Romantic twaddle about the past. All this marring off of children is about the power of men and their "honour" and property. Marry her off before she can possibly bring "shame" on the family.

BAnanas Tue 10-Sept-13 12:41:19

Having read the FGM linked supplied by Bags, I find it truly shocking that a primary school teacher could have likened this horrible mutilation inflicted on a young girl to a rite of passage such as a Barmitzvah. Her behaviour displays a sycophantic belief that all cultures must be treated equally. I for one don't buy into that one. As far as I am concerned any faith/culture/religion that thinks it's OK to harm children is wrong! wrong! wrong! and should not be tolerated.

I think it's fair to say that most of these abhorrent practices are completely covert. Along with many of the abuses SOME adherents to the Muslim faith inflict on their young, mainly female, followers and yes I know that all has not been hunky dory with Christian denominations and we should put our own house in order as well. Nevertheless, SOME Africans who follow strange quasi faiths, that encompass something called "JuJu" whilst living in this country also do horrible things to their children in the name of exorcism. Vile beatings and I've also heard of Chili powder being rubbed into the eyes of very little children. These practices are positively stone age, it's as if science doesn't exist. How can anyone honestly believe having sex with a young child, or even a baby can rid them of some awful disease is beyond me.

I think it's deplorable that a blind eye can be turned in the name of political correctness. I believe in France they have girl children from places where FGM is widespread undergo an examination by a doctor, I can imagine that some would say that would be an infringement of human rights, but if it is for the greater good in eradicating this vile practice then I think it's preferable to the child being spirited away and having to undergo this procedure and endure a lifetime of pain and complications.

I've said before I think most religions are deeply patriarchal and are skewed to keep women in their place, but I think some are worse than others I'm afraid. I find it deeply insulting to suggest that women should be covered from head to toe because they might inflame men's passions, and men should also find it insulting to them because it implies they have no self control. I took my granddaughter to see a theatre production of the Gruffalo's Child a few months ago, this was aimed at children from roughly aged 1 to 6. A party of very young, possibly aged 5, Muslim schoolgirls filed in, all with their heads tightly bound in a headscarf, not only a sad and quite unnecessary in my opinion but completely incongruous in our society and sod multiculturism I'm with the French on that one. Why do little girls have to a) feel bad about having hair or b) that they could be temptresses if the hair isn't covered. Yes I can see the the counter argument that we live in a sexualised society and women are often made to feel that they have to be on display, and not in a good way, but does that mean women should walk around like a mobile tent with no peripheral vision in the worst case scenario.

France I believe have banned the headscarf in school along with other religious symbolism and veil. Arresting women for wearing it in public does make me feel they are taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut sometimes, but I do feel they are right to try and eradicate FGM in a more heavy handed way than we appear to be doing, turning a blind eye and tinkering around the edges with something as important as this is pathetic. You can't please all of the people all of the time so don't please those who are in the wrong!

Iam64 Tue 10-Sept-13 12:43:29

Shocking, this little girl must have been terrified, and screaming in pain. What kind of man would continue to sexually abuse a child he just married, other than simply because he wanted to, and he could. This is murder isn't it, or am I simplifying something?

Galen Tue 10-Sept-13 12:58:29

Good post BAnanas

thatbags Tue 10-Sept-13 13:03:24

I think it is murder too, iam.

bananas, good post.

j08 Tue 10-Sept-13 13:18:49

Quote Bags "We bloody can judge! Raping children is wrong. Full stop."

Yep. Gassing them is wrong too. What can we do about it? They are never goping to listen to us. #despairisallthatsleft

j08 Tue 10-Sept-13 13:19:14

going