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Out of the EU? (just for fun)

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trisher Sun 10-May-15 21:48:24

If we pull out of Europe after the referendum what will bother you most?
I don't understand all the regulations and rules, but I think it is fun to speculate on what you will miss the most, or what worries you most. I have 3. In no particular order;
Will my local Italian deli close because the owner has to leave?
How much booze will I be able to bring home when I go on holiday?
Will my DSs Polish girlfriend be sent home?

Ana Mon 11-May-15 19:50:39

Yes, loopylou, but as I said, they don't let the truth get in the way of a good bit of scaremongering.

rosequartz Mon 11-May-15 19:55:13

If his dad's name on his birth certificate, are you sure he can't have British nationality?
As far as I am aware, he can.
My DGS was not born in the UK but has a British passport through DD who was born here.
His father is not British.
If they came to live here, his father would probably not be able to stay because the country where he was born is not a member of the EU.
It is a Commonwealth country and they have been abandoned in favour of the EU, so spouses of British citizens who were born in Commonwealth countries are being deported.

The scenario you describe, Djen, may never happen, and if we did leave the EU then I am sure people already living here legally would not be deported.

durhamjen Mon 11-May-15 19:57:02

eulawanalysis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/what-would-happen-to-eu-nationals.html?m=1

Jane's link again.
It's the law, jingl.

When he was born if your parents were not married, you took your mother's nationality. When his cousin was born in 2000, she could have her father's nationality because her parents were married. Her mother was born in USA, from US and Norwegian parents.
When his sister was born in 2007, eight years ago yesterday, the rules changed so she could be British, even though the parents had the same status. Getting British nationality after your parents marry is not retrospective. Unless the law changes again, of course.

loopylou Mon 11-May-15 19:57:36

I'm angry Ana, totally irresponsible to plant the ideas in people's minds who may think it's fact.

Personally I'm glad the Conservatives got in if this is the sort of behaviour (and presumably typical?) Labour devotees think appropriate on a public forum. No wonder their Party is in such a mess sad

I cannot for one millisecond imagine my DDIL being expelled back to Italy minus my DGS and DS! Utter bulls...t!

rosequartz Mon 11-May-15 19:57:37

so spouses of British citizens who were born in Commonwealth countries are being deported

No-one seems to care about them!!

rosequartz Mon 11-May-15 20:01:39

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/418010/Section_65_of_the_Immigration_Act_2014_-_web_page_-_update_March_2015.pdf

Does he come into this category djen?
If so, all is not lost.

Ana Mon 11-May-15 20:04:08

You're still not answering my question, durhamjen. Why won't your grandson's parents get married to prevent the possibility of her deportation and put a stop to his fears?

I'd have thought his peace of mind would be the most important thing for you, not all this speculation about what might or might not happen in the future, which he has of course picked up on!

durhamjen Mon 11-May-15 20:04:49

I care about them all, rose. I brought my children up to think that everyone, whatever colour, faith or race is important. They brought their children up to think the same.

I'm not Labour, loopy. What made you think that I was?

Ana Mon 11-May-15 20:08:11

You're certainly left of centre, though, durhamjen. I think you said you were a Green supporter.

I'm sure we've al brought up our children the same way as you. What's that got do to with the issue? confused

rosequartz Mon 11-May-15 20:09:38

I care about them all, rose
but no-one seems to shout about Commonwealth citizens being deported.

It probably won't apply in our case because atm they would have absolutely no intention of living here.

GrannyTwice Mon 11-May-15 20:10:30

Actually loopy what's irresponsible is a political party ie the Conservatives saying they will hold a referendum on leaving the EU without providing information on what this would mean for British citizens living in EU countries and EU citizens living here. But of course they didn't want to go into all this because it just underlies one aspect of the huge complexity of leaving the EU. Where there's a vacuum, it will be filled. Getting worried like this might encourage people to write to their MPs and ask for some answers. One if the big issues around leaving the EU is about being able to control migration within the EU so why on earth is it fanciful to wonder and be concerned about what might happen to EU citizens currently living here?

rosequartz Mon 11-May-15 20:10:36

I am a bit confused too

rosequartz Mon 11-May-15 20:11:52

Anyway, there is no need for them to get married if I am reading that link correctly, but I am starting to get brain fuzz now, so djen you will have to read it for yourself and decide if it applies to your DGS.

GrannyTwice Mon 11-May-15 20:12:36

And if your DIL hasn't got British Citizenship, perhaps she should think about it sharpish

durhamjen Mon 11-May-15 20:13:17

Are you suggesting, Ana, that we stop him watching the news for the next two years? Stop him looking at newspapers?
Obviously his parents have talked about people not wanting foreigners to live here. It affects them as a family.
They cannot afford to get married yet. That's more than you need to know.
Until this government was re-elected last week, there was no fear of having to move abroad.

Ana Mon 11-May-15 20:13:24

Blimey, I feel like Jeremy Paxman attempting to extract a straight answer from Michael Howard!

Ana Mon 11-May-15 20:15:53

It would cost them next to nothing to get married.

If a big, fancy wedding is so important then I feel very sorry for them all.

loopylou Mon 11-May-15 20:20:38

So just where have the Conservatives said they will hold a referendum without providing information on what this would mean for British citizens living in EU countries and EU citizens living here!

rosequartz Mon 11-May-15 20:22:50

Did you see the link I posted re your DGS and his citizenship djen

It could be helpful, I hope so.
I think it is good to have dual nationality if possible.

soontobe Mon 11-May-15 20:23:45

ll - I agree. I googled too, and couldnt find anything about what is being discussed here. re deportation.
People shouldnt get themselves worked up about nothing whatsoever.

I do hope people are not scaremongering. hmm
And I would be very very annoyed indeed if any posters whatsoever were doing that.

Riverwalk Mon 11-May-15 20:24:46

Is Durham (assuming that you live there) such a hostile place for Danes?

Is there such xenophobia that even your young GS picks up on it and is worried for his family?

I can't for the life of me imagine a scenario whereby Danes will be deported!

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 11-May-15 20:26:06

There will be loadsof information put out to the public before a referendum goes ahead! I am sure we will all be thoroughly educated about the ins and outs of it before it happens.

loopylou Mon 11-May-15 20:27:12

I stand by what I said blatant scaremongering full stop soon
And bulls..t too angry

jinglbellsfrocks Mon 11-May-15 20:27:29

That was in response to GT's post.

Ana Mon 11-May-15 20:28:11

Exactly. But that won't stop this thread from getting more and more ridiculous!