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The one indisputable FACT in this referendum debate

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Anya Tue 14-Jun-16 11:18:34

Like many of us, I prefer to deal in facts, not surmise, assumptions, or what might be, or might not happen. The truth is that neither side have a clear idea of what leaving or remaining in the EU might entail, except for one clear fact.

This is, that if we remain, we will continue to have no control over numbers of immigrants from the EU, entering the country.

We all agree that immigration is a Good Thing, but uncontrollable immigration is another issue completely.

whitewave Wed 15-Jun-16 18:34:22

Yes rose and whenever there is a significant movement there is an explanation given - in this case sterling has fallen against a basket of currencies because of fear of Brexit

As was predicted by so many of the experts that Brexit happily rubbish

granjura Wed 15-Jun-16 18:44:01

roses those of us who depend on UK pensions in £s which is falling significantly, in countries where the currency is rising- are maybe not so flippant about it. And yes, it will affect the economy hugely- and fatcats will benefit as they are already playing the buy and sell game!

granjura Wed 15-Jun-16 18:53:08

Expats here are happy as larry, as their high Swiss salaries have shot up again in real terms, and have been ditching all UK investments and transfered their money here in time! Win win for them.

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 19:06:20

It will not be over in a week.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/06/15/the-eu-debate-is-tearing-communities-apart

This is about Northampton.

"I asked a local British taxi driver how he intended to vote. He said to stay in. Why? Because he says he hears too much racism from people talking about the referendum. "There's real, real hatred," he said. "I hear so much of it. I can't vote for that." "

whitewave Wed 15-Jun-16 19:11:10

Watching Gove - he is hopeless.

He blames the EU for destroying his father's business. Apparently his Dad said today that isn't what happened.

He is intent on destroying people's lives and businesses just to fulfil a personal wish.

Welshwife Wed 15-Jun-16 19:19:53

The exchange rates tend to be far more stable and only vary by a small amount - and often not on a daily basis. The £/€ exchange was under 70p and then remained about 70 for a good few weeks before starting the recent movement till today's level. I actually do watch it day to day.

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 19:22:07

This is interesting.

voxpoliticalonline.com/2016/06/15/brexit-budget-threat-is-tearing-tory-party-to-shreds/

Osborne says he will have to bring in an emergency budget if Brexit happens. However, 50 MPs will vote against it as they do not want more austerity.
They are the people who voted with Osborne for all his cuts over the last six years. Not that they are just out for themselves, of course.

granjura Wed 15-Jun-16 19:25:58

Not easy withing families either! Has anyone else found it very difficult to discuss this with close relatives and friends? We were recently in the UK and we had some very difficult moments which we found difficult to deal with.

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 19:27:01

The list includes that famous socialist Jacob Rees Mogg, along with IDS and Liam Fox. It also includes those who talked out any measure to get more money for the NHS, Christopher Chope, Peter Bone and friends.

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 19:31:11

There was a programme on last night which showed people living in Lanzarote.
There was a couple there who said they had done really well out of the UK links with the EU so they would vote to stay in.
However, if they lived in the UK they would probably vote to leave. I was actually shouting at them. How selfish can you get?

whitewave Wed 15-Jun-16 19:31:14

Well!! Gove isn't a man with a plan he is a man with a bag full of soundbites most of which as a minister of state he worked for the absolute opposite. He has recently just arrived in Damascus or he's lying

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 19:34:08

Good soundbite in the debate. Boris wanted a Boris Island in the Thames. We need to make sure the UK doesn't become Boris Island. I see he's already offered Farage a job in his government, along with a seat in the Lords, because he can't manage to get a proper seat in the commons.

Jalima Wed 15-Jun-16 19:37:27

that famous socialist Jacob Rees Mogg Leave Jakey alone

I should think a lot of people are voting for selfish reasons djen

Ana Wed 15-Jun-16 19:43:13

It would certainly seem so, judging by some of the posts on this and other EU threads.

whitewave Wed 15-Jun-16 19:49:39

Just watching country file about Marine Conservation set up by the UK - which is vital for fish numbers and ecogical reasons. However the government fell at the first hurdle because of pressure from fishermen.

This has nothing to do with the EU.

One worries about other areas of our environment if Brexit occurs.

Ceesnan Wed 15-Jun-16 19:54:27

Is anyone going to deny that George Osborne has made a threat today?

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 19:55:04

Gove is such a liar. I had to record it and am watching it now.
He voted with the government on every cut to the NHS. He wants an insurance based NHS, even though he said he believed in it.

In fact he has never voted against the government on anything in this parliament or the last. Hypocrite.
Or "Off your rocker" as the audience member said.

granjura Wed 15-Jun-16 19:57:16

That scumbag Farage dares complain about the Fisheries Commission- as an MEP he attended

ONE

our of the

42

where he was supposed to help protect the UK fishermen.

Just ONE- whilst picking up his MEP cheque every month without fail. Sick.

granjura Wed 15-Jun-16 19:58:03

1 out of the 42 EU meetings on fishing!

Jalima Wed 15-Jun-16 19:59:03

hmm I am not sure about the fishing issue whitewave. Our fishing industry has been decimated by EU rules and huge fishing trawlers from other countries in the EU; DBIL's business depended on a vibrant fishing industry which has been decimated. Had we not been in the EU and the UK government introduced sensible quotas it would not been in the poor state it is today. DBIL did find alternative work on the super-yachts of the wealthy, however. Every cloud.

durhamjen Wed 15-Jun-16 20:01:57

Did you see PMQs today? Corbyn mentioned that a flotilla of ships was supposed to be coming up the Thames, with Farage aboard. He said he kept looking out for it but hadn't seen any sign of it yet.

I am really looking forward to a fullfact check on Gove's talk tonight. He really was born in the wrong century.

whitewave Wed 15-Jun-16 20:02:13

No definately a threat. But Osborne was being Osborne. Faced with a downturn his instinct is to cut. Labour would go for growth so will vote against his budget. No denying a possibility of a downturn - Brexit has said that will happening. We are beginni g to see it at the moment with the FTSE and sterling

whitewave Wed 15-Jun-16 20:07:33

This is talking about inland waters jalima

Jalima Wed 15-Jun-16 20:11:29

Oh, I thought Marine was to do with the sea whitewave

whitewave Wed 15-Jun-16 20:14:55

Oh sorry -blimey I do get in muddle -I meant close to shore sea environment. It's time I stopped!