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thatbags Tue 23-Aug-16 20:31:01

The silliest thing about the Corbyn "Traingate" fiasco is that before the railways were privatised, I often had to sit on the floor toing and froing between Preston and Edinburgh. Sometimes there was no buffet car. And the toilets were often disgusting.

I guess Corbyn didn't travel by train much back then hmm

However, the trains I travelled on usually had more space for luggage than current Virgin trains.

durhamjen Mon 29-Aug-16 13:36:35

POGS, possibly because we are not as bothered as you.
Corbyn supporters on here are supporters of the Labour Party. That's it. Nothing sinister, Trotskyite, Militant.
Not going to leave the Labour Party to be taken over by right wing pressure groups such as Progress.
Why are you not concerned by them?
Are there any Militant members on the NEC?
Are there any Progress members on the NEC?

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 13:45:26

Not bothered by militants or trots? And you campaigned in the eighties for the party Jen?

Corbyn supporters are not supporters of the Labour Party, they don't care if the party loses the next election as long as Corbyn can stay leader

And Jen you said yourself you didn't vote for labour between 1994 to 2007 , I can't understand why you didn't support the minimum wage , tax credits etc.

durhamjen Mon 29-Aug-16 13:50:47

www.butterfly-conservation.org is very worried about the decline of the small tortoiseshell this year, and would like people to go on their website and list their findings.

Much more important.

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 13:51:59

One way to avoid an honest answer

DaphneBroon Mon 29-Aug-16 13:53:14

Thanks for the sub- editorial input jingl (oops sorry, Jingl) , actually given the prevalent SOH (not shouty capitals, acronym, just saying) bypass , the pun was deliberately highlighted to emphasise the irony , aka "see what I did there?" but your opinion of 09.46 -ish has been noted. Shall I run future posts past you for sub-editing too? hmm

durhamjen Mon 29-Aug-16 13:55:07

I can vote for all those without supporting Blair.
I didn't support going into Iraq, and I was right there.

durhamjen Mon 29-Aug-16 14:00:49

Are you not interested in butterflies, Annie?
I never avoid honest answers. I just get so fed up of having to repeat myself ad nauseam.

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 14:05:26

You have not given your opinions on the three I mentioned .

You didn't support the minimum wage etc because you wouldn't vote whilst Blair was party leader because you knew he wasn't a socialist . yet you have the damn nerve to condemn me for not supporting Corbyn because he is a trot and accuse me of not supporting the party

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 14:10:12

And I will never vote for Corbyn as leader but if he is leader st the next election I will vote Labour, in full knowledge that we lose . Unlike you I am loyal to the Labour Party Jen, pity you were and are not

rosesarered Mon 29-Aug-16 14:14:26

There seems to be an assumption by one or two posters on here, that because several posters ( maybe more) are either ( shock, horror) Brexiters or/and non Labour supporters, that somehow ab shouldn't be replying to any of the posts, and that she should stick to 'her own kind'......am I missing something here?
We all have different views on things, politics and other subjects, and I for one will give my honest opinion , either agreeing/disagreeing with anyone at all, I don't have to 'get on with them' for that to happen.

rosesarered Mon 29-Aug-16 14:15:24

Neither does ab

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 14:25:54

Thank you Rosesarered, the double standards by some Corbyn fans are so playground gang level. I will agree or disagree depending on my opinions ,

nightowl Mon 29-Aug-16 15:03:28

POGS as someone who has recently joined the Labour Party I will answer your question as to what I will do should JC lose the leadership contest. I will remain a member and will continue to fight for the party to rediscover its roots and move away from the centre ground. I will fight for it to once again become a socialist party with socialist principles. It needs to be proud of its left wing values and stop trying to emulate the Conservative party - voters need and want a true choice of where to place their vote.

At the same time, I will fight for it to accept that there can be different shades of left-ism within the party and that all can work together, those further to the left and those of more moderate views. I support the right of the NEC (a truly balanced NEC) to vet applications and ban those whose allegiance is not to the party, for whatever reasons. That does not, IMO, mean that people should never have the right to reapply in the future when their views may have changed.

durhamjen Mon 29-Aug-16 17:03:41

I did not need to vote for Blair to support the minimum wage, etc.
The Green Party supported those.
I also knew four other people, two of whom voted Tory and two who were liberal, who also voted for Blair.
I didn't vote for Blair to be leader. Coming from Hull, and living in Hull at the time, I wanted Prescott to be leader, as I liked his politics.
I voted Labour in 1997 to get rid of the Tories, which is what you, Annie, should be trying to do now.
You voted for Corbyn a year ago. Politics shouldn't work like a school council - I voted for you to lead last year but changed my mind three months later so want you out.

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Which of these do you not like?

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 17:13:55

I voted for M argaret Becket

I said when we have a general election I will vote fir the Labour Party - if it still exists ,

trisher Mon 29-Aug-16 18:02:21

Anniebach as you refused to answer my request about which Labour party policies you agreed with I don't think you can critcise anyone for avoiding questions. By all means withhold information if you want to, but allow others the same privilege please.
Your condemnation of all Corbyn supporters is as divisive as any of the other things you have mentioned. So you are making your own contribution to the destruction of the party. Instead of constantly calling them names could you not take the time to find some level of agreement? Cooperation has always been a feature of the Labour movement, it would be good to see some.

Anniebach Mon 29-Aug-16 18:04:58

Trisher, when you criticise the poster eho called me a liar and accused me of using foul language I will accept your request as a genuine request

Beammeupscottie Mon 29-Aug-16 19:00:54

I now read Ed Balls to sharpening his knife for Corbyn's back.

Et Tu Balls

Infamy. infamy, They're all got it in for me.

appleboy Mon 29-Aug-16 19:04:22

London: Four People Stabbed At London Notting Hill Carnival newswatchreviews.com/london-four-people-stabbed-at-london-notting-hill-carnival/

DaphneBroon Mon 29-Aug-16 19:28:46

This is very sad, but your point is unclear?

Jalima Mon 29-Aug-16 20:20:47

djen good news, the brown fritillary and the British blue butterfly are back from the brink!! smile

Jalima Mon 29-Aug-16 20:26:06

POGS, it wasn't a stunt. He did actually need to get from London to Newcastle that day, and it was on a crowded train.
he probably did, but it is a pity that the people who advise him decided to go for this silly stunt - and then try to tell people that Jeremy was tired at the end of a long day. It was 11 am.
I think it was Sam Tarry, the sooner Jeremy stops taking advice from this young man who appears to be a master of spin the better.

Jalima Mon 29-Aug-16 20:28:53

By the way, Virgin are now saying thankyou to Corbyn for pointing out that they need more seats on trains and more trains. As if they didn't know!

grin love it, subtly sarcastic!

POGS Mon 29-Aug-16 20:29:20

Nightowl

Thank. you for your reply.

May I respectfully ask a question from a poster I have respect for.

You say that you will remain if Corbyn loses to fight for the Labour Party to accept there can be different shades of leftism within the party and all work together. How do you feel about the voices that are calling for deselection of Labour MP's who have served the Labour Party well for years yet now have fallen foul of the Corbyn Team?

Ana Mon 29-Aug-16 20:30:52

Yes, I read something online about Sam Tarry today - a rather dodgy character with two homes and three jobs, allegedly.