Biggest political hypocrite 2016

So what trumps everything for those of a far right persuasion, Ankers?

No one been on to disagree

I would guess the economy, with immigration running a close second, dj.

I'm not so sure he's writing in a personal capacity. The publication is headed with a Fabian Society logo, but "This paper, like all publications of the Fabian Society, represents not the collective views of the Society but only the views of the author." That's just how they do things.

If you look at the full publication, which can be downloaded here www.fabians.org.uk/publications/stuck/, 'quite a bit of data. Much of it, of course, can't be predicted. However, Labour needs to come up with a plan and it just doesn't have one.
www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/01/03/shattering-the-governments-veneer-of-credibility/

For all the new members it might have attracted, it's losing voters at a faster rate and many of those are in the critical Midlands seats.

I agree with dj on this. Ideology trumps everything for those on the far right too. That's why the battle has to be for the centre ground.

Daphne, that's where I got it from. If you look at the full publication, as a pdf, that's where I got the disclaimer from.

Ankers, are the far right's ideas on immigration and the economy not ideologically driven?

Aided by MSM, of course.

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/12/28/the-conservatives-have-out-borrowed-labour-for-a-century/
Strange this never gets in the media.

Durhamjen

I note you are posting again today so you may have missed my questions to you on 31st December @ 12.36 and 17.26. where I was responding to your posts re Nigel Forage.

Have you any response please.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WJXHY2OXGE

If it's about skwawkbox, it's obviously a different one to the one you mentioned, POGS.
I think you could have found that out yourself instead of waiting for days.

Not an answer durhamjen.

What is it not an answer to?
Is this an inquisition?
You'll have to ask your question again if that wasn't what you asked. Last year is too long ago to remember anything else. I am sure that's what you asked about.

' Last year '. [so funny]

Not an 'Inquisition' at all. If a poster, such as yourself, provides links then it is not unreasonable to know to whom/what organisation we are being asked to read the words of to make an informed judgement surely. 'Fake News' is now a known fact and I don't think I am being over cautious. I did not agree nor disagree with your wanting Nigel Farage to spend 5 years in prison for fraud but I do want to be able to assess if this story and your link is built on a sound basis as it is pretty deflamatory isn't it, or don't you think so, I may be wrong.

12.36 post.

'I think I've asked you before, not sure, but is the link you have provided again to 'Skawkbox' (with a k )the same organisation as CNBC 'Squwakbox' (with a q)?'

If your links are not connected to CNBC who do you think is behind the links you put forward?
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I mentioned I agree with this comment made on the link you provided re Nigel Farage :-

'I’m confused. Where’s the proof that those emails relate to Farage?'

'Enjoyed many of your articles, but the evidence for this one seems to be missing. I see no reference to Farage in the documents you provide. In fact, are you even sure they’re related to a dodgy citizenship request? My German is non-existent so I could be missing something.'

'The article claims, and I quote “The ongoing police case puts beyond doubt the question of whether Nigel Farage made an application for a German passport.” Well, no, it doesn’t. I read German and a) there is nothing in the documents cited in the article linking Farrago to the case (indeed he is not mentioned at all) and b) in this most Europhile of countries, were this to be the case, it would be all over the German news. Which, believe me, it is not. All the two emails confirm is that a case was opened on the 30th September 2016 (which could actually be someone’s budgie being stolen), and that a query is being forwarded from the Press and PR department (which could also be about budgie rustling) to another division – PK24 – of the Hamburg police. You claim “The evidence for the content of the formal police complaint was in the conversations with the source. That can’t be rendered photographically and a condition of the conversation was anonymity for the source”. So, effectively, we have to take your word for it, and the documents you cited prove absolutely nothing whatsoever. Until you actually link the case number to a document with Farage’s name on it, I will feel free to ignore this . PS I am not a Kipper, but false news will do our cause in debunking UKIP no good whatsoever.'

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17.26 post

Your later link said this in part:-

'The address belongs to a relative of Mr Farage’s wife, Kirsten. Don’t be confused if it comes up as the address of a school – it is the registered office address of a swimming school (the school and pool is at Sachsenweg 78 in Hamburg), registered to the address of the owner.'

So is the owner of the 'swimming school' 'swimming pool' without doubt a cousin of Mrs. Farage and now ' presumably ' implicated in the , as you imply, fraudulent application?.

That is definitely a point you have stated I am interested in understanding a little better.

Have I missed your replies, apologies if I have.

Sounds more like wild speculation masquerading as facts once again, and probably taken from some dodgy source POGS interested to see what djen says though.....

It could be true rosesared but given the 'strength' of the claim and the desire to put a person in prison for 5 years it is only fair to ask for 'concrete evidence' one would think.

POGS, like me you are going to have to wait until OLAF looks at the allegations.

skwalker1964.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/ukip-eu-allegations4.pdf

skwawkbox.org/about/

If you can be bothered waiting POGS.... I couldn't care less what happens to him, but it sounds suspect.

Flipping heck so this is the 'Expert/Guru' you put links up to, in this case Skwakbox, you would have us read , believe and take note of is it.

In his own words:-

'I’m in my 50s (don’t want to have to remember to update this on an annual basis!), male, married with grown-up kids, politically-engaged (member of the Labour and Co-operative Parties) and increasingly socialist as I see the world around me getting less just and more exploitative. I have a knack for analysis, or so I’m told.'

In that case I have as much faith in him as I do Tom Pride / Pride's Purge and The Canary blogs/sites you put links up to and others.

Post Truth/ Fake News / Political Spin you can see what danger lurks on social media. It could be true but personally I will take little regard in future other than to raise or ask for better information or challenge what is said.

Never called him an expert, POGS. It's called Skwalkbox because his name is S K Walker. If you remember that, you'll probably get the spelling right.
Lots of other experts; they don't all need to be, particularly as people don't like experts.

That's why I never read any of djens links..... just know they will turn out to be left wing publications or Socialist bloggers with an axe to grind.

Whereas all the linked articles provided by right wing posters are absolutely neutral of course.

That is a matter you can raise as and when they are ever offered up Eloethan by a 'right winger' but if you wish to believe in the links provided without question then that is your prerogative.

I am coming at this with a serious point of view that a handful of posters really do believe some posters are to be considered knowledgeable and trust in what they write and the links they provide.

This is a bone of contention for me and has been for a while with the rise of utter b----y tosh , the anonymous ''experts' who are being 'touted' as worthy of listening to, who are they?

Each to his/her own but it has nothing to do with a posters politics it is a general problem that cannot be defined as belonging to the left or right of politics particularly .

Obviously Political Spin is alive and kicking but some sites/bloggers go beyond that at times and it is up to the individual I suppose to elect to believe them or not.

You are right there, so much tosh out there, and gullible people suck it up.Better to stick to articles from a reputable source, and even then come at it with a questioning mind.

Yet another thread that started out with some interesting posts has been turned into a thread attacking Jeremy Corbyn, with a few diehard posters (myself included) feeling a need to try to put a different view. There are those who put well argued criticisms of Corbyn (which I respect - I don't think he's God), those who put the same old not-well-argued criticisms, those who just use the opportunity to make personal attacks on other posters, and generally a lot of unpleasantness. I think it's very sad that a bunch of older (mainly) women, with a lot of life experience between us, can generate such nastiness.

I'm happy to leave you to it. Thank goodness I am well enough to be able to do other things. If I were frail, or in poor health, I would certainly not be looking to gransnet for my support or entertainment. I'm off to muck out a horse; at least she makes sense.