Biggest political hypocrite 2016

Bit puzzled by your post on 1st Jan naming me, roses as to my knowledge (and after a quick search) I haven't posted on this thread.

Had to trawl back a bit to see Maizie but found it, apologies, it was to nightowl and not you.

This thread is not about support or entertainment nightowl there are loads of threads for that on the forum.Neither is there much 'nastiness' compared to some political threads.

There has been no attack on posters only criticism of politicians, expected on a political thread surely, more so on a political thread which asks which politician is a hypocrite.

nightowl There are a huge range of threads on Gransnet and most of us, ignore some, merely follow others and participate actively in yet others. We all have our likes and dislikes.

I see very little nastiness on the political threads, heated debate, yes, some members with deeply entrenched views, yes, but if you want to see political nastiness go to almost any other mainstream political thread and what you read there, the insults, invective, personal attacks, makes us appear like a convocation of kittens playing with knitting wool.

I suspect that some members have perhaps not been in situations that involved robust arguments about views and opinions between people who are generally good colleagues/family and tend to see any strong exchange of opinions as a sign of personal animosity when it is nothing of the sort.(DH is one like that).

I don't think the main point of nightowl's post is that there is nastiness per se, but that any attempt at real political discussion is consistently turned into a way of making personal attacks on Jeremy Corbyn. I certainly agree with that. I have stopped posting on these threads because I am so fed up with the lack of real political debate. I don't think Corbyn is perfect but I haven't seen any other viable alternative being proposed just the same negative things being repeated. It isn't nasty, it's just boring.

There is an article in (that should not be named) today's paper monica that talks of the ultra right having taken over the twitter network. I wouldn't know not being a follower. I would guess that the political debate on there is very robust.

Quite interesting though and I would guess a topic for the grans in the near future about how the world order is changing.

personal attacks on Corbyn? No there has been criticism of Corbyn as a party leader , the thread title is Biggest Political Hypocrite

Quite trisher. And I agree about the lack of any real political debate. These threads are becoming boring.

But I stand by my point about personal attacks, or rather snide comments, between posters. I've been the subject of them myself though not on this thread. I'm not a delicate little flower, I'm well used to personal abuse and also to strong debate both within family situations and outside of those. I just don't see a need to seek it out on a public forum.

So which of these is about his work as party leader, and which presents a valid political argument Annie?

I think Cirbyn has a big problem , he gets shot if wife no 2 because she disobeyed him over choice of school.

He left his studies at a college because he disagreed with his tutors course

He invited the IRA to Westminster just weeks after the Brighton bombing, this was so insensitive .

The OP says 'Biggest political hypocrite 2016 ' and asks posters who they would choose/nominate, it is not about 'valid political arguement' .

As for Corbyn , ye gods , have any of you read what has been said of other politicians on other threads?

Threads go off at a tangent, it's what happens.

Just the usual defend the leader regardless

Politicians are fair game.It's what this thread is about.

Grrr, iPad, 'it's what this thread is about.'

And as the OP says 'here are some nominations' (no indication of where that 'link' comes from...)

Surely we can all feel free to add our own?

And this thread really shouldn't be counted as a serious political debate - it's just a silly aside!

Isn't it...?

Suppose it's just coincidence that the only one to be challenged is the one most critical of Corbyn .

... and remember the discussion is limited to a discussion of hypocrisy, not of anything else, so discussing Corbyn's hypocrisy is not to suggest other politicians are, overall, better or more worthy individuals, just that whatever their failings, and they may be much worse, they are not particularly given to hypocrisy. Corbyn is just very noticeably prone to hypocrisy where others aren't.

Corbyn wasn't on the list.

Wonder why,

tompride.wordpress.com/2016/08/15/are-you-a-trotskyist-take-this-short-quiz-and-find-out/

How's your horse, nightowl?

The quiz seems to aim at identifying Stalinists rather than Trotskyists. but the subtleties of identifying different factions in Communism/socialism has always defeated me.

Left or right, the more to the extremes in political beliefs people are the more fissiparous they seem to be.

Nobody can argue with that Monica there will be a stampede to look up fissiparous now .

Well well Monica - you're starting to sound like a journalist.

The term "extreme" is one that has different meanings to different people. I expect Margaret Thatcher would have described activists in the anti-apartheid movement as "extremists" but some people would have seen it differently.

I have already have looked it up .

There has always been divisions in the Labour Party, and I can go back to Hugh Gaitskill without having to search the Internet or read blogs .