Could this be the start of a nasty period in Britain as Brexit starts to hit?

PS. Your apology will be accepted!

MaisieD.I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if I were you.Wait and see. There may be things you don't approve of there may be those you do. Rome wasn't built in a day.

So where have I stated strong personal opinions on immigration sarahellenwhitney?

Typical answer from a Remoaners. I voted out as did 17+ million Stop winging, most voted out for lots of other reasons mainly to take back control of this country. Instead of moaning let's start pulling together to make this really work, for as long as there are people pulling the opposite way then things will not work. By the way I am an immigrant and most of my friends also immigrants voted the same way as me.

Where have I been whinging? Oh dear! If that's the best you can come up with, I'll stick with my decision to vote Remain.

PS. Do you lot always have to rely on making things up and calling people names?

More Brexit-bashing. More to the point, can anyone give any good reason for STAYING in the EU? It might be good for the fat cat employers to get cheap labour, but less good for the rest of us, with endless increasing pressure on the infrastructure, NHS etc. All we got from Cameron, Osborne etc. was Project Fear, the sky would fall in WW3 would start etc. Of course the EU are going to make it as difficult as possible for us to leave, as we are net contributors.

Why's it Brexit-bashing to object to people making things up and calling others silly names?

Good posts Lilyflower and icanhandthemback

You are implying that people who voted out did so because of immigration. This can only imply one thing to me and Racist I am not.

This isn't some jobsworth misinterpreting the rules. Theresa May changed the rules in 2013 when she was Home Secretary. If Irene Clennel was earning £18,500 a year she could stay - any spouse of a UK citizen can stay but only if they are earning not caring as this poor woman is. Also if you live more than two years away from the UK your right to residency is ended and as lots of families with a non UK spouse do they can be deported too. What is another scandal is that there is literally one law for the rich and another for the poor. Theresa May has literally put a price on human rights and the right to family life in the UK. Deeply unjust and deeply shameful. I don't care how long this woman or her family lived in Singaporor how much a year she earns - her Geordie husband, her children and her grandchildren are living in the UK and so should she be. Campaign to change this unjust law. Sign the petition to let her stay and contribute via crowd funding to her legal costs asap.

misundertood I have implied no such thing!

What gets me is all the people that feel sorry for the lady mentioned above. Perhaps it was the wrong thing to do. I don't know. And others immigrants are sometimes the same people who wouldn't help a neighbour or anyone. It's so easy to get on your high horse about these things and not think who needs you who is close and you could help. That includes the elderly, immigrants, the young. Charities. I find we all keep in our little boxes and moan about the big issues instead of dealing with the here and now. Just saying. Some of us can't even get on with our children. I have a son that thinks about all these strangers and verbally bangs on about it and we help him but he wouldn't helps us. What's going on in the country. The people that feel they can be racist have always been there. The ones that go further are nutters. The appalling murder of Jo Cox. You can't blame Brexit. As individuals we voted either way for our own reasons. We didn't know what others were voting or the result. Stop blaming Brexiters!

Caring about friends and neighbours and being concerned about how immigration laws affect people are not mutually exclusive.

You don't know how much people commenting on here do in the 'here and now' or whether they're healthy enough to do so. I would imagine there are some people on Gransnet who are in poor health and/or have restricted mobility. They might not be able to do much, but it doesn't mean that their brains have gone to mush or they have to give up caring and commenting.

Daphne that is why I said sometimes. There just seems to be not enough about what we all need now. We have had hundreds of thousands of immigrants come in since Blair and I think most have settled very well. But newspapers sensationalise the odd case and everyone is back on their high horse again. Blaming Brexit. I am not saying don't think about these things. I am from London. Born in London and in the minority. I now live in the SW and wish I was back in London. So no racist here.

I have the feeling that some people on this thread have picked up the wrong script and/or are spoiling for a fight. Bizarre!

Only if you are dd ( takes two to argue) haven't noticed anyone else 'spoiling for a fight, or on the wrong script' either.
I do see people , including myself, saying this issue is nothing to do with Brexit.I remember years ago that individual cases are sometimes taken up as a cause celebre
( often rightly, sometimes wrongly) and this has always gone on.Immigration goes after the easier targets, we can't always say they are wrong, but in the case of the lady who has been a carer, it would seem harsh to send her back.We don't always have the full facts/story in some cases.

Womble "cheap labour"??? Why did those rich people donate heavily to UKIP and the Leave campaign. Because they wanted to get rid of EU backed employment rights and further force down the quality of many "jobs" in the UK. And hence the cost of employing people. Brexit will open the door to shipping in really low cost labour from non EU countries.
There are a few categories of employment (e.g. in construction) that are having pay rates reduced by competition from EU tradesmen. But if those tradesmen all go home just wait for the cacophony when building developers in the SE are struggling to recruit.

In my experience some of the people who voted to remain in the EU are the first to complain that they can't get a doctor's appointment quickly (too many people registered) their grandchildren can't get into the local school(too many children applying), they have to wait too long for an operation (too many people on the list),state pension age is being put back (the pot of money stays the same but the numbers of pensioners increase) , houses are being built on the green belt, too many cars on the road and so on. The population of this country is far too high as it is now. Imagine what it will be like in the future with another 10,20 million people or more here. Brexit is all about taking control of our own laws and that includes who has the right to live here and who doesn't.

" He also says there is no need for the amendment, because there is no way that Britain would throw out EU nationals.

So the only purpose of this amendment is “virtue signalling”. "

From Lord Lawson's speech.
He obviously doesn't read the Guardian or the i. Doesn't keep up-to-date with the news.

Eu nationals are being and have been thrown out.

I have just returned to this thread and would like to respond to those who have kindly made suggestions in answer to my question of 27 Feb.

Jalima and dbDB77 suggest that I apply for GB citizenship ( and yes, I would need to pass the English Language and general knowledge test) but there is a problem there.
durhamjen, you are right, I would probably need to stay out of the UK for 2 years to endanger my permanent resident status but that is not guaranteed.

May I just share with you a situation which others like me find themselves in, something that those who have only ever lived in the country of their birth could never envisage and thus may find hard to understand.

I was naturalised a US citizen but I was born elsewhere. My parents had to emigrate in the late 50s and, as a pre-school child, I, of course went with them. At that time, the US did not allow immigrants to retain the nationality of their birth. So they had to renounce their birthright in order to become US citizens and thus, I, too, renounced my birthright.

Several years later, I won a scholarship to study in Europe, met, married a Brit and remained in the UK. My only nationality was my naturalised one. When I investigated obtaining UK citizenship, I was told by the US that I would lose my US citizenship if I obtained a second naturalisation certificate. The US will not allow a citizen a second, obtained nationality.

Having spent my childhood and adolescence in the US, this was my identity and I found it difficult to give that identity up. In the 1990's, I was informed that the US rules had changed and that I could re-obtain the nationality of my birth without losing my US citizenship. This, I duly tried to do in order to be protected in Europe( I was born in one of the original EU countries).

But the country of my birth did not want me back because I had renounced my birthright( even though this was a prerequisite of American law at the time, since changed). I have appealed and have been told that I can get my birthright back if I live in that country for one full year, something I planned to do.

With Brexit, reobtaining my original citizenship will be of no use.......and so we go round in circles.

This is not a rant, just a true-life picture of what it means to be an immigrant.

If you continue living here Rinouchka there shouldn't be a problem, should there? It does sound quite a complicated case.Why not ask your local MP for advice?

And to be fair, it may be a true-life picture of your situation Rinouchka, but of course it's not typical of all immigrants.

What I like about the Lord's debate is that they are saying that it is a moral and ethical duty to support the amendment.
Apparently all groups of UK citizens living in the EU have said that they support the amendment.

I understand your dilemma, Rinouchka. My Danish daughter in law did not want to take UK nationality because it would mean giving up her Danish nationality. It has now changed and she can have dual. Her husband is British, her son is Danish, although born in the UK, his siter was born five years after him, and the law had changed again, so she is British.
There are no certainties after Article 50. There will be no changes without parliamentary approval, just said by Lord Bridges, the Exiting the EU Minister, gives no certainty either.

Why can the government not agree to those who lived here before Brexit being allowed to remain?
Does it not give them a better bargaining position?

If EU states decide not to give residence to 900,000 UK citizens, what then?
Is the government then going to say that 3 million EU citizens have to go back where they came from?
Is that what anyone wants?

How can it give them a better bargaining position if they say all EU nationals can remain here after Brexit, they would be giving away a bargaining tool not gaining one.

As I've pointed out many times before whenever durhamj brings that up, Firecracker....