Open Britain - Hard Brexit

So after all the negotiations, if 'the country' (who? The people or just the government? Will we have to have another referendum?) doesn't like the deal reached the UK can just tell the EU it's changed its mind and carry on as before...?

I don't think so, but if whitewave can produce evidence, of course I'll stand corrected.

....and can you imagine the kind of deals we would get in the future , and how we would be treated by the EU, shudder, doesn't bear thinking about!

Hello, I'm new to this thread. I would like to hear from rosesarered exactly what she is most looking forward to following the UK's departure from the EU. What, specifically, will be different? I am genuinely interested in anything more substantial than sheer rhetoric from either side.

No rhetoric from me, but no lists of reasons either, as I have had more than enough of the 'justify yourself' brigade, ever since last June on Gransnet.
Pollaidh you are new, so don't realise the acrimony that went on ( still goes on) from the Remain group on GN towards anyone who had the temerity to vote Leave, and say so.Suffice it to say, that was my vote ( to Leave) and I am very pleased that we will shortly be leaving.All the why's and wherefores have already been done to death.

The UK pays in £13 billion every year and takes out £4 billion every year from the EU. What is so good about staying in. Some countries take out more than they pay in. The other countries than pay in more than they take out will have to pay even more when the UK leaves the EU.

It is not all about money although I am not sure those figures are right. Trade and business are also very important as well as sharing research and security information - so many things - you will gradually see what is missing as Brexit progresses and contracts end and are not renewed

We import more from Germany than we sell to them. Surely they have more to worry about if the UK decides to go elsewhere.

Where do those figures come from gretel?

Depends what is being imported - as a whole the UK exports 40+% of its exports to the EU - the EU exports about 10% of theirs.

No, Germany doesn't have more to worry about, because it exports more to other countries. Another myth!

The figures don't show how much the UK gains from being in the EU in terms of increased trade and having international HQs in the UK,because we're in the UK.

I agree with Welshwife. It's about far more than the economics. The list of advantages is a very long one and we're about to find out when those advantages have gone.

My opinion is that it's no less than political vandalism. The Leave.EU was based on lies and manipulation and I have no intention of shutting up and sticking my head in the sand. Thankfully, there are people more vocal and powerful than I am, who are watching what's happening, as the government tries its best to destroy the country.

PS. Dominic Cummings admitted he lied about the £350,000,when he was interviewed by the select committee.

daphnedill, My statistics come from the ONS document UK Perspectives 2016 and UK Contribution to EU Budget. Document European Union Finances 2015 CM 9167. pg 13 Net contribution 8.473 million.
If as welshwife says 40% of UK exports are to the EU, this means that 60% are not.

The rest go in very small amounts all round the world - tariffs paid in some places and more carriage costs. But however you look at it the EU is our biggest customer.

We need to be careful with any deals with USA and China especially if the reciprocal agreement is for UK to take any of their food - Neither have such high standards as Europe.

I believe that exports to the EU will continue after exiting the EU. The UK has a strong economy.

I believe so as well Gretel ?

If we totally leave the EU with no agreements for anything there is likely to be import taxes on UK goods which will me they will be very expensive. Many manufacturing jobs in the UK will go when current contracts end - cars - Airbus etc. Companies have said this. The UK. will need to get new manufacturing up and running PDQ

The thing is no one really knows what will happen when Brexit is triggered let alone finalised.
The EU is too big and unwieldy now.
Surely the money saved by not paying into the EU can help different UK industries. All the EU bureaucrats can use their expertise to broker deals before the UK exit is finalised.

Possibly - but when you know that it is fairly certain there will be big job losses is it worth the risk?

We had achieved the 5 highest economy as a member of the EU and my question is, what's wrong with that?

Gretel, you say no one really knows what will happen when Brexit is triggered. Does it not alarm you that the people leading us towards the exit door admit they have no idea what's on the other side of it either?

Walking into the unknown with a blindfold on seems more than a bit daft to me.

Well whatever we are doing in Germany it is not worrying about Brexit! For some posters getting back at Germany seems to be the main aim of Brexit.
If any country is willing and ready to give the Uk the benefit of the doubt it is Germany but they are bound by EU rules which all countries including the UK were agreed upon.

I admit I haven't read all of this thread, but, as a strong Remainer who is very worried about our future and the future for our DC and DGC, I'm still waiting to hear what advantages Brexiters think we will get by leaving. I don't think Remainers are aggressive as we've been accused, we're simply worried and upset. After all we around 48% of the country (65% in my borough), not a handful of people. Please, someone give us a reason for hope and tell us how you think things will improve after Brexit.

GMoira I think you have given them an impossible task - I have asked the question before and had no reply.

That's because no one can possibly know for certain, Welshwife.

It really is ridiculous to keep on asking the same question again and again you'll just have to wait and see, like the rest of us.

I fully realise it is difficult to tell where any benefits will come from - whereas we do have a tad more of an idea of what we will lose!

We've all asked the question, I think, GMoira and when the only answer we ever get is:
That's because no one can possibly know for certain we have to go away and sob quietly or bang our heads against a brick wall. Because how could people possibly vote for such an immense change and the prospect of the collapse of our economy without knowing what benefit we will get from it? It is so unbelievably irresponsible..