Voting quandry

Jen, if only my vote alone would get rid of Corbyn I would do my country a favour and vote lib/Tory/Plaid/independant/green,

Thank you for explaining the connection between Welsh Labour and the Corbyn-Momentum leader , I didn't know .

But there is a difference between Welsh Labour and Corbyn-Momentum Party come to think of it, like the msjority of msny decent labour MP's , we disassociate ourselves from the excuse for a leader, the one who supported the IRA and Hamas but speaks out against all violence , bloody hypocrite

Niggly X

So who are you going to vote for, Annie?

dj

I don't think that is a question you have any right to answer to.

Annie has told us who she has voted for in every other election. She has also told us that she can't stand the leader of her party, and why.
No reason for her to be shy now, particularly as she has told those who support Corbyn that they are trots and communists quite regularly.

I don't think anyone has any right to know how people intend to vote. If they want to tell us voluntarily that's a different matter.

What on earth have any of our voting preferences got to do with you dj? It's not a question I'd ask my own family.
Mind your own business comes to mind!

I didn't intend to start an anti dj witch hunt, nellie. I agree with much that she posts. I just find this dj/ab feud very tedious and irrelevant to the very serious political situation we're now in.

Who are you going to vote for, niggly?

Thanks, Maizie. I understand where you are coming from. No reason for me not to ask, though. I am genuinely interested in what Annie will do. The thread is titled voting quandary, after all.

I told who I voted for because I chose to not because anyone was rude enough to ask.

this time is much more difficult, we haven't a labour candidate from this constituency, no one wanted to stand , I don't know much yet about the candidate we have, it was said Kirsty Williams would stand for the Libs but after Thursday I doubt it, the sane useless Tory MP is standing again. If Kirsty were to stand she would have s good chance, lsbour not a cats chance in hell. So I don't know . Waiting for a lead from Carwyn and private mails from a few Welsh MP's and Assembly Members, so much said of Wales being taken by the Tories , thsnkfully they cannot affect the Welsh Assembly.

I do know the leader of Merthyr council who lost his seat blames Corbyn, he said so on Wales News

The thread title is not - who will you vote for

No, but you have a quandary, don't you?

There is no quandry, because there is no viable opposition, Next time around perhaps there will be , Brexit needs to be handled expertly if we are to stand any chance of getting a good deal. Horses for courses, idealism some times has to take 2nd place

fullfact.org/news/why-local-elections-are-not-useful-indicators-national-votes/

Of course there is a quandary, norose.
Lots of questions about who to vote for in every constituency and why.
You don't just give up because of what the papers tell you.

Not given up Durhamjen , just being realistic , the other options at the moment are just too shambolic , next time around well that can & will be a whole new ball game & we should be beginning to see the wood from the trees you then, I was unashamedly a remainder, but we are brexiting ,and there is no other credible opposition to handle that imho ,

Marbles thanks for the thread, yes it has put many of us in a quandary re principles, beliefs etc, but we cannot put our heads in the sand & if that means swallowing some pride & voting for the most able party at this present time then that's what we need to do , next time aroun however we should have a clear picture of where we are all at. There is a saying about a bough that bends with the wind will survive , whilst the unbending will not . We need to survive theses shambolic changing times

I can see why some might not want to tell certain people, such as canvassers, who they are going to vote for - personally I wouldn't give the information to someone from a party I wouldn't dream of voting for. Other thabn that, it isn't an issue for me as I'm not embarrassed or ashamed about who I'm voting for.

I really don't understand the need for secrecy on Gransnet because we are all anonymous so what does it matter?

Jen, think deeply ok?

The thread is headed voting quandry yes?

You state I have a quandry yes?

Then why ask such a daft question , unless it was just to bait ?

If I knew who I would vote for I wcouldn't be in a sodding quandry would I?

It matters because it just isn't the polite thing to do Eleothan , it shows great ignorance to ask such a nosey question

I wouldn't be so confident about my anonymity on Gnet, or any other forum, as to think that no-one could find out who I am and use their knowledge of what I say on-line to attempt to manipulate me or, as in the example of the LP banning people from membership on the strength of what they had said in the past about voting etc, actually use that information to my detriment.

I don't think it would be too hard to ID me if anyone really wanted to (though that is partly my own fault for using the same username on several forums). Also, hasn't there been a recent law to oblige ISPs to give the government access to our emails and search histories? If any of you have had an email from Gnet then you're identifiable...

Ps Durhamjen. I don't read the papers

I certainly think Annie would be identifiable by someone determined enough to establish her identity - as would durhamjen.

Brexit needs to be handled expertly if we are to stand any chance of getting a good deal.

Leaving aside the question of whether or not May was handling Brexit 'expertly' there was absolutely no need for this general election. She had a majority, she had no problems with Parliament. Except, of course, for some toothless opposition from the Lords.

There is no quandry, because there is no viable opposition

This is a really extraordinary piece of reasoning. She has no problem with Brexit (as above) but what about her domestic policy which is looking strongly like being extremely damaging to our public services and many of our rights? Don't you think we need a sizeable number of MPs in Parliament who are able to fight for our services? An 'opposition' doesn't have to be one party; it can be made up of MPs from all the non-government parties.

She doesn't need a huge majority for Brexit but she does for demolishing all the institutions we have benefited from over our lifetimes. I am horrified that people are willing to even contemplate being complicit in that just because of Brexit.