Should I vote Labour Mark 11

Do you disagree with what he said, Anniebech? Because, in my opinion, he's spoken the truth and it's about time someone did.

IFS has condemned both labour and Tory spending plans in their manifestos , labours spending will increase taxes to the eighties level

I agree, prosecco, it is time to have an alternative approach and surely now is a good time, not bad time, to discuss that?

mine, I chose not to listen to him, just as I chose not to listen to Nutall yesterday, I cannot support using the Manchester deaths to win votes .the beareved have only had Tuesday,Wednesday ,Thursday of grief and shock ,

It will have to be debated but dear god, the victims haven't even been buried, the country is in shock and yet using this atrocity to win votes is acceptable? Not for me

For once rosesarered I have to agree with you. Maybe I am fortunate to know some lovely young people. I still wish we could set a better example than seems to be the case.

I am not against him making his speech , it is the timing which has sickened me

Lord Calise has critcised Corbyns speech , claims it is an insult to the people of Manchester . Farron has also spoken out against the speech. Calise said he was fighting the battle of Argincourt

AB it is an election - what would you expect them to say? Look what you say in order to stop Jeremy Corbyn, and by default the Labour Party, being elected. Just because they say it about a leader of another party really doesn't make it right.

That was about your Fri 26-May-17 12:39:34 post AB

Exactly ab
However quite what his alternative approach would be and how it would help is very doubtful.The security forces in all EU countries are doing all they can.You cannot hope to stop these hatefilled IS supporters, even if you never get involved in any wars abroad ( and sometimes you have to) because what they hate is the West and all it's values.
If there was any easy way to stop it, it would be stopped.
Corbyn is using what has happened to try and cement his support....IMHO it will backfire on him.

I agree Prosecco and angelab, he said something that needs to be said. I notice a lot of virtue waving by the right at this point but Corbyn was very careful in his use of language and we should not put anything out of discussion or we are giving up our democracy.

I chose not to listen to him, just as I chose not to listen to Nutall yesterday

So you are condemning a speech you chose not to hear AB - it's time for me to leave such prejudice alone I think.

Good idea, Byee GG

Just heard Farron condemning Corbyn's speech.Amongst many others.

Roses, he wants to talk to ISIS, perhaps they like Hamas and the IRA will be his friends . He has now promised more police and more money to the security services .

I would follow you GMK2 but that would leave Annie all to herself to put people off voting labour - STAY!

I am condemning using the deaths of people to score political digs and win votes. Did he wear a black tie when the IRA bombed !

What is she, a Labrador?

I don't know who Lord Calise is, but I am a person of Manchester and I don't feel insulted.
Manchester also has a large Irish community, we also didn't feel insulted by peace talks between the British Government and the IRA.
Sometimes you just have to talk to people you don't like whether is is the IRA or Donald Trump.

Some people are more amenable to talks than other though, would think IS would laugh at the thought.

I agree with you there rosesarered

So when do you think IS will be ready for talks of peace llovecheese ?

and Corbyn voted against the good Friday agreement and those talks had gone on for years

He has also questioned the police having the right to shoot , if they come face to face with an armed terrorist the police should ask them to have a chat ?

I am not putting people off voting labour, I am giving my opinion on the labour leader , he will be a disasterous PM because he lives in his own world not the real world .

Corbynites here think using the deaths in Manchester to win votes is fine, I do not

Stay, Sit, Walkies Ana?

ab if you haven't read the speech, then you simply cannot pass comments such as you have. TM has made suggestions today about pressure being put on social media to get tough on terror - this could be seen as taking political advantage as well but I wouldn't say that - it behoves our political leaders to come up with some ideas and both TM and JC are - what has TF suggested? Or is he just criticising - honestly, he's more and more of a pipsquek isn't he?

I was out this morning. So I have heard the BBC & others telling me what Corbyn will say, and what they think of it, but I have not heard what he actually did say. I am still searching the web ofr something on it that isn't biased.