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Pollsters predict shock Tory Losses

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GracesGranMK2 Tue 30-May-17 22:42:27

YouGov estimate points to hung parliament with 20 fewer seats for May

Its only one poll but a very large one predicting a Conservative Party loss of 20 seats and Labour gain of nearly 30 leading to a hung parliament.

ninny Thu 01-Jun-17 11:50:09

Has Yougov ever got it right before, genuine question.

whitewave Thu 01-Jun-17 11:51:37

Probably notsad

Tegan2 Thu 01-Jun-17 12:10:36

Given that brexit [imo] was a protest vote against austerity it seems to me that this election is going pretty much the same way. That and the fact that 'take back control' was a superbly clever soundbite/slogan for brexit but 'strong and stable' hasn't worked. Just goes to show how important marketing is these days [and has been since the Thatcher era].

Tegan2 Thu 01-Jun-17 12:14:20

I'm rather amused that the very rich people who backed brexit because they wanted to become even richer [the despicable Aaron Banks for example] may find that the money saved from brexit that would 'go to the people' may actually go to said people and not to them if we get a Labour/LibDem/SNP coalition....

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 12:20:57

Someone has just said that May will be best for our leaders in the City. Says it all, really.

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 12:22:47

Boris just lost a few more votes. He refuses to condemn trump for backing out of climate change agreements.

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 12:31:42

I never thought I would agree with Thatcher.

twitter.com/SKZCartoons/status/870010105114361856/photo/1

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 13:58:53

This is what the election is about, not just Brexit.

think-left.org/2017/05/31/the-brexit-plus-thats-what-the-election-is-about/

Hopefully, the voters will notice.

Anniebach Thu 01-Jun-17 14:07:33

The Libs have said they will not work in a coalition with Corbyn

POGS Thu 01-Jun-17 15:23:54

Corbyn and Emily Thornberry have catagorically ruled out going into coalition with 'ANY' other party.

If they win with no overall majority they will submit a Queens Speech as such.

whitewave Thu 01-Jun-17 15:26:07

As rose is so fond of saying

"We will just have to wait and see"

Iam64 Thu 01-Jun-17 16:01:38

If only the left of centre parties would grow up and work with the areas where they have consensus.
I didn't see the debate as I'm away but it sounds as though the audience showed displeasure with much of the conservative agenda. No, I do not believe it was a left wing audience, carefully selected by the BBC.

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 16:06:21

It's not surprising that Labour do not trust Libdems, Iam. Look at what happened in the coalition. That's why the Libdems were punished in 2015.

Anyway, the Labour Party rule book says that members are not supposed to work with any other parties. Otherwise they lose their membership.

POGS Thu 01-Jun-17 16:14:47

Seems to be a case of selective amnesia going on.

Labour / Gordon Brown tried to bend over backwards to get into coalition with Lib Dems in 2010 !

Ana Thu 01-Jun-17 16:16:54

"I agree with Nick!" grin

whitewave Thu 01-Jun-17 16:25:43

That is not how I remember it. There were certainly talks, but no agreement was reached.

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 16:47:59

That's right, whitewave. No amnesia at all. They were both trying to get Clegg to agree with them, but in the end he chose Cameron. We all know how that turned out.

Tories are getting desperate. They've had to wheel out Nicky Morgan - who says that women love Mayhem!

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/politics/nicky-morgan-social-care-manifesto-backlash-good-thing/

varian Thu 01-Jun-17 16:55:12

In 2010 the combination of Labour and LibDem MPs did not add up to a majority and so the LibDems went into coalition with the biggest party, the Conservatives, somewhat reluctantly. They put the interests of the country before those of the party and were punished at the next election.

Mistakes were made. There should have been a guarantee of a PR referendum (not AV which hardly anyone wanted) and of course they should never have acquiesced in the Tory policy of raising tuition fees.

I believe that it will take some time for the Liberal Democrats to recover but the membership is stronger than ever and I think that history will be kinder in its judgement of that coalition government than in its judgement of what has followed since 2015.

angelab Thu 01-Jun-17 16:57:30

dj not clear to me how possible coalition of Brown & Clegg fits with what you said earlier "he Labour Party rule book says that members are not supposed to work with any other parties. Otherwise they lose their membership"?

GracesGranMK2 Thu 01-Jun-17 17:12:41

The figures didn't add up Jen, that's why the Lib Dems could not go into coalition with the Conservatives.

You can't make something happen that isn't there.

whitewave Thu 01-Jun-17 17:15:12

Do you mean Labour?

GracesGranMK2 Thu 01-Jun-17 17:20:45

I did whitewave, thank you. (Note to self - don't write when you are really, really tiredgrin)

Tegan2 Thu 01-Jun-17 17:23:15

The S.O. [whose political memory is far better than mine] says that the LibDems wouldn't go into a coalition with Labour unless Gordon Brown stood down as leader.I did ask someone on facebook why there was still so much anger against the LibDems and the answer was that they fought the election on a left wing [ish] platform, took votes from Labour at the time and then joined forces with the Conservative. Now, I'm not saying that those are the facts, only that that is what people have said to me.I still have a lot of time for the LibDems and, in my area they and the Labour Party always worked closely together but I needed to understand the arguments against them.

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 21:30:54

voxpoliticalonline.com/2017/06/01/the-young-boys-reaction-to-theresa-may-at-the-end-of-this-clip-is-priceless/

durhamjen Thu 01-Jun-17 21:48:32

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/theresa-may-refuses-appear-womans-hour-sends-justine-greening-instead/

Strong and stable, or frit?