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Corbyn and the Monarchy and Armed Forces.

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Luckylegs9 Sun 25-Jun-17 13:29:00

Corbyn has made it quite clear, what he and his close followers feel about our Queen and Armed Forces, do can those that support him eventually want a country with a President and no Armed Forces? This is how it looks. Why hadn't he the guts to just come out with it?

POGS Sun 25-Jun-17 22:57:31

I would rather Corbyn did go to Glastonbury than be a hypocrite to be honest.

His decision will be obviously be viewed by the wider public through their own eyes and they will either approve or disapprove of his decision. The general public will at least have an informed knowledge of how Corbyn thinks about Armed Forces Day won't they.

Anniebach Sun 25-Jun-17 22:58:58

Maizie, I think you are mistaken, I doubt the vast number of windsors would be pleased to give up their privalaged life styles.

Which would you prefer William, giving up KP, a future at Buck house and Windsor for a 40 hour a week job not a 40 hour a month job and living off your private income?

Anniebach Sun 25-Jun-17 23:00:25

Fair enough POGS, even Corbyn can't be a hypocrite seven days a week

Rigby46 Sun 25-Jun-17 23:04:03

Only those whose brains have been washed by the DM POGS. All this hypocritical pearl clutching - I wonder how many people even knew it was Armed Forces Day today? I didn't and I don't care I didn't. It's a modern invention and I'm content with November 11 and Remembrance Sunday being a way not just of remembering but of thinking about and appreciating the armed services. Some of the posts on here have a touch of the NK about them.

MaizieD Sun 25-Jun-17 23:05:02

I'm just going by what Harry said, Annie. Unless you were to strip them of their wealth as well as their 'royal' status I doubt if they would particularly care. They'd still have the same lifestyle. Which is the same as that of a great many wealthy people in the UK.

Or do you think the wealth should be taken along with the titles? That would be truly revolutionary...

MaizieD Sun 25-Jun-17 23:05:59

And they wouldn't have to spend endless days shaking hands and making small talk with total strangers. Bet they'd love it...

MaizieD Sun 25-Jun-17 23:08:04

No, I didn't know about Armed Forces Day, either Rigby. Pretty thoughtless to choose the first day of Glastonbury for it, really. All those thousands of young (and not so young) people not giving it a thought. How disrespectful...

POGS Sun 25-Jun-17 23:37:43

Maizie

As for those at Glastonbury ' not giving it a thought' they are not the highest ranked representative of the Labour Party nor the the Leader of the Opposition of our Parliament are they.

Corbyn made a decision that chimes with his beliefs , his prerogative. He is representative of the Labour Party and if that is his choice then so be it. It is up to the public to view his choice.

rosesarered Sun 25-Jun-17 23:39:52

....and they certainly will do.

POGS Sun 25-Jun-17 23:51:53

Rigby

" Only those whose brains have been washed by the DM POGS.

All this hypocritical pearl clutching - I wonder how many people even knew it was Armed Forces Day today? I didn't and I don't care I didn't. "
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No you wouldn't care Rigby , again that is your prerogative.

I will say that falling back on the Daily Mail to prove your point is so predictable. You really do think anybody who attended an Armed Forces Day event, or is happy to show respect for our Armed Forces is a Daily Mail reader of that I have no doubt.

You and plenty of others.

merlotgran Sun 25-Jun-17 23:57:18

Anniebach, Why do you persist in calling our monarch queenie?

merlotgran Sun 25-Jun-17 23:57:43

With a small q?

MaizieD Mon 26-Jun-17 00:16:45

Perhaps she's a republican, too, merlotgran

Eloethan Mon 26-Jun-17 00:27:31

I don't know why we need an Armed Forces Day anyway. To my mind all these sorts of events are a way of normalising the idea of war and conflict and boosting recruitment. These ideas are more fully explored in a report by the Quakers on militarisation quaker-prod.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/store/ad773bc324db6aacbd11526a24d9268b4c8431260273f5d0fc2c452989ca

It is supposedly a free country and yet if I or anybody else shows a lack of enthusiasm for military parades or the royal family, it is implied that we are in some way unappreciative of or disrespectful to our country. I refute that suggestion entirely. Rather than trying to demonstrate patriotism through flag waving and other ostentatious displays, I believe the best way to honour your country and to show your appreciation of it is to try to be a good citizen and to make some sort of practical contribution to the community in which you live.

Rigby46 Mon 26-Jun-17 00:54:06

It's the attitude that says that attendance says something about you that matters that is so DM not whether you attend or not.

suzied Mon 26-Jun-17 06:01:29

Jezza was the only politician on Remembrance Day who stayed to applause all those veterans on the march past after the cameras had gone. The others went off for their lunch. It wasn't reported surprise surprise. He went up in my estimation after that and I'm not a fan btw.

Anya Mon 26-Jun-17 06:27:29

I didn't know that suzied - puts a very different light on some of the posts on here then.

whitewave Mon 26-Jun-17 07:04:21

That is why people appreciate Corbyn when he is allowed to speak to them directly. They get the sincerity snd honesty.

Filter anyone through the press like the DM and they become some sort of twisted version of reality. It is quite extraordinary how people like the DM journalist who appeared on QT and to my mind sèemed drunk could be so nasty and vindictive and yet people are wlling to accept what he says!!

I applaud Corbyn for being able to communicate with the young, talking about building bridges not walls, caring for each other, rejecting violence and embracing peace?

What better way to salute those who protect us than by trying to build a better world of peace and harmony so their lives are better protected too.

Spokespersons for the gutter press are finding a smaller and smaller platform on which to preach. No one that matters is listening, the future has its eyes and ears elsewhere.

Iam64 Mon 26-Jun-17 07:09:43

I didn't know that Armed Forces Day is such a recent invention. I support all our public services, including the armed forces. I'm surprised midsummer day was chosen for such a display. It's a day of misrule and many pagan festivals. Conway had a large number of people dressed as Dragons, Fairy kings and queens, street stalls selling all kinds of new age or mediaeval trinkets and potions. Glastonbury takes place on that weekend, Pagans gather at various sites. Very odd to choose this particular weekend for such a different kind of commemoration.

We need to stop disbanding and reducing our Army, Navy and Air Force. It goes without saying the same argument applies to our other public services, as recent events have highlighted.

I have mixed feelings about Trident, understand the arguments of both sides and if I had to make a choice, I'd increase the services rather than replace Trident.

Is it possible to discuss important issues without resorting to name calling and personal attacks.

Anniebach Mon 26-Jun-17 08:36:28

Mauzie, I did say that, there would be no crown, no living in Windsor, KP, Buck house, no millions of pounds from the country, the would have to live off their own money,

And please do not refer to me as SHE please

norose4 Mon 26-Jun-17 08:55:10

I am not politically glued to one party, I try to work out what I agree with at any given time. I am a people watcher &every interested in psychology& how it is used as tool in all campaigns be it political or other. The media also try's to manipulate us this way. The study of megalomania is very interesting I cite Billy Graham as one example , how the young loved & worshipped him back in the day.... & were sadly disappointed when his true self was exposed ,.... a lot of the tories are painfully see through because they are being what they are ,wither you agree with them or not,I would rather that ,than the hero worship of brother Corbyn who practices to deceive with a bagful of uncosted goodies.

norose4 Mon 26-Jun-17 08:59:44

sorry forgot to add & disrespect for our armed forces, whilst toadying up at Glastonbury ?

whitewave Mon 26-Jun-17 09:01:05

Glad you aren't glued to one party norose grin

norose4 Mon 26-Jun-17 09:06:32

Yes perhaps another word would have been better?Whitewave , I just get a bit frustrated when people become so Dogged Is that an ok thing to say ??lol

Anya Mon 26-Jun-17 09:06:57

So you obviously haven't read Corbyn's manifesto then norose or you wouldn't gave written such an ill-informed post. It makes me wonder about the wisdom of universal suffrage when I see this kind of regurgitated rubbish such as 'uncosted goodies'.

Certainly it was costed. And 'goodies' - presumably as in good education, good health and social care, good security and police?? Do you really think if these as 'goodies' rather than the sign of a first world society with one of the largest economies in the world.

What a bloody stupid post.