I Will Deal With It

Oh dear, I won't trawl through the threads - but it doesn't make other people's views and values wrong.

I don't vote Green like my DD but I think some Gransnetters did at one point and just because I don't vote for them doesn't mean I don't share some of their values and think they are important.

Politics for many at the moment is rather like Woolies Pick 'n' Mix which makes it very difficult come voting time.

How about people who have the same values but dfferent views on how to implement them sustainably?

Precisely Elegran

I think what many people want to know (most are probably a little less obsessed with the minutiae than those of us on the politics threads) is the direction of travel of a political party.

Listening to an interview in an area where a huge percentage voted for Trump one of his supporters was asked what would happen if he did not bring coal back to his area. He replied that his did not necessarily expect him to do that as long as he brought jobs. Trump had very clearly promised to 'bring back coal' but the majority who voted for him didn't care; they believed in his promise to bring them something other than the rust belt they live in.

I think you would also find that those who are inclined to look at trivial detail never do this with the people they support (for whom excuses can always be found) but only of those they wish to attack.

I think it would be very difficult for anyone who supported the Tories to have the same values as people I know.

Why is that dj? Are the values of the people you know not of a very high standard, or are you once again implying that you, as someone who doesn't support the Tories, has the moral high ground which of course you don't.

If you're referring to values held by labour supporters, you might like to take a look at the post I've just put on the momentum thread. I hope these aren't the values you're referring too of the people you know.

A good post GG.

That's probably why I am fairly sceptical about most of them GG - looking on with horror at many of the right, left and centre.

Our values are about supporting the poor, the homeless and those out of work. Those who support the Tories do not do that, they penalise them, even inwork families, millions of children who live in poverty. Nothing for Tories to be proud of.

Oh for goodness sake dj what a load of tosh. How many tories do you know? Because I know plenty who support charitable institutions and want those in genuine need to receive all they are entitled too and deserve.

I don't however know any tories who are anti semitic, and would want to be a member of a party that has members who are.

Deserving and undeserving poor, eh? Very Tory.

I don't know any socialists who are anti-semitic.

It's that useful confusion again.
Being critical of the actions of the Israeli State is not the same as being anti-semitic.

But pretending that it is, is a way to attack some Labour Supporters who are critical of the Israeli State

Perhaps it is a good idea to mix more with other people who have different views on how to achieve all that. If all the links and FB links someone receives are from 'like-minded people' and all friends and relatives are 'like-minded' it could form a kind of bubble.

Perhaps problems arise then and the only other perception is that everyone else is 'wicked'.
I only have a few FB friends but they are er diverse with eclectic views.

not er - all

I don't go on facebook, Jalima, so that doesn't happen, but really, why should I look for Tories to be friends with?
A bit difficult where I live to find the Tories. Anyway, I was brought up by Tory parents and was inundated with articles from the DM by my well-meaning mother.

I read enough responses on threads and news links to know what Tories think. There's definitely no bubble, even on Guardian and i articles.

I didn't look for Tories to be friends with - they just happened to be friends from the age of about 5!
I didn't ask their political aspirations when we were at infant school and don't really discuss politics with them now on the rare occasions I see them.

I was brought up by a staunch Labour father as I have said before. And a Tory mother!

ps and they were happily married for 55 years until DF died.

If you don't discuss politics with them, how do you know what their political views are?

I have friends I don't discuss politics with, too. But they are not the ones I am talking about on here.

No dj not deserving and undeserving poor. I said all who are in genuine need. Not all who receive financial assistance are in genuine need.

I've thanked you for your post on the momentum thread Ilovecheese and in response to dj will make a couple of small changes to your final point on this thread.

By pretending that all tories are heartless, with no care for those less fortunate than themselves is a way to attack those who are critical of the labour party.

I can tell by their FB posts!!
That was what I meant

It's the algorithm that makes the bubble Jelima not you. It's called a Filter Bubble. If you had friends on FB, one from each party and you get to see (as you will) the posts they have liked and shared. You will then like and share any that appeal to you. You will then have filtered back to you posts that are like the ones you have liked and share. You will not have ones similar to the ones you ignore come up as 'recommended' or 'sponsored' posts. This is what creates the bubble not you.

"How many tories do you know? Because I know plenty who support charitable institutions and want those in genuine need to receive all they are entitled too and deserve."

Who decides who is genuinely in need?
Deserving and undeserving poor.

I didn't know that GG, not that I use FB; interesting though.

I don't think the people I am concerned with should rely on charitable institutions. Nobody should have to rely on handouts and foodbanks in the fifth or sixth richest country in the world, depending on which figures you use.
That's the difference between your friends and mine, Smileless.

All poor are deserving dj but not all who claim benefits are genuinely in need for eg. several years ago there was a man who went to the same gym as me. He'd catch the train into town, walk to the gym using 2 crutches, ditch them in the changing rooms and then run on the treadmill. He was receiving disability benefits but clearly didn't deserve them.