I Will Deal With It

I am glad you thought my post was good Smileless. Thank you for your comment.

But why then do you do exactly what I described and start using the challenge of 'anti-Semitism' which you seem to be, totally spuriously, using to attack the who Labour Party. Do you really believe the Tory Party doesn't have it's own minority on the far right who would come under the same title? They always have so I see know reason why things should have changed. You might like to read this article: Anti-Semitism is a right-wing problem

You are doing just what I decried in my "good post". Such posts as yours remind me of the religious controversies we know took place in the middle ages when the argument would be over how many angels could stand on the point of a pin.

I didn't say anyone should have to rely on charitable organisations, I was pointing out once again that you don't have the moral high ground dj and that your assumption that everyone who supports the tories, must be by definition uncaring, is as ridiculous as someone saying that the only thing that motivates all labour supporters is benevolence.

I wonder GG if you regard dj's posts that challenge the morality and humanity of tory supporters as being like the ones you decried in your post.

Rightly or wrongly, there is a concern about anti semitism within the labour party which is why labour councils are adopting the International Definition of anti semitism. Thanks to Ilovecheese's courteous and informative responses to me on the 'momentum' thread I am now better informed.

I said your post was good GG because it was, I didn't say I totally agreed with it but then again I can appreciate a good post whether or not I agree with it.

It's the algorithm that makes the bubble Jelima not you

You could speculate about whether you're in a bubble you've created or not. What I find more interesting is that when people are put inside a different political bubble on social media, their views polarised.

I think you could probably justify the facebook 'bubble' is actually a politically moderating influence.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/16/facebook-bias-bubble-us-election-conservative-liberal-news-feed

Quite some time ago on GN there was a discussion about changes to inheritance tax.
Many of us felt that the increased allowance (to £1 million) was overgenerous to those who were already quite wealthy. This was when more cuts were being made to many inwork and disability benefits.

One poster in particular defended it vehemently because her family would now inherit so much more. Her husband had worked and paid tax and NI all his life (although she hadn't had to) so they were entitled.

That's why I'd find it difficult to be friendly with a true blue Tory voter.

I agree mcem raising the inheritance tax allowance to 1 million would have been overgenerous. Supporting a political party doesn't mean you support everything they want to do; well not for me anyway.

The thing is, the truly wealthy are able to pay for the best tax avoidance advice, so they don't pay inheritance taxes anyway.
I think the govt needs to be a bit more creative with people's attitude to tax. Instead of it being a bad thing, it should be a badge of honour.

No!
Tax is something you pay to be part of a civilised society.
No badge of honour at all.
THe government should not be creative at all, and neither should citizens or accountants.
Ordinary people can't get out of paying tax. It should not be accepted that rich people can either.

What I mean is they need to change peoples attitude to tax so that everyone is happy to pay. Plenty of ordinary people moan about how much tax they pay too. That's what I'm talking about changing.

GG you seem to know much more than me about how FB works. I don't 'like and share' these links and there are very few political ones but I can read them and compare and think 'oh, my goodness!' as I may on here, and I can delete any that don't appeal to me which I may do.

All kinds of things pop up which may be of no interest to me - and I only have a few FB friends so how anyone copes with hundreds I don't know.

Tories are the low tax party. They are not happy to pay the tax they have to at the moment.
They are very unlikely to want to pay tax at the levels of Scandinavian countries to equalise pay and benefits.

I know what you meant Primrose
Which seems to me to be the same as djen said!
Paying the right amount of tax for the proper running of society should be something we should all be proud to do - not something for those who have the most to wriggle out of by devious schemes.

Lost in Translation

Yes Primrose "Plenty of people moan about how much tax they pay too"; not just the tories and not just the wealthy.

Yes, but as primrose said, it's the wealthy who get out of paying it, not the others.

Jalima, are you saying that the Tories do not pride themselves on being the low tax party? Because they definitely did that in their election manifesto. Hammond is still saying it.
They are still going to cut corporation tax so it's the lowest in the G20.

And I wonder how many wealthy labour supporters get out of paying taxor aren't there any wealthy members of the labour party.

You're right Smileless. In fact the Labour party avoided paying tax on 4.3 million pounds worth of profits in 2015 according to the Electoral Commission. In 2015, the Labour party ran a surplus of 4.3 million but paid ZERO tax. On the other hand, the Conservative party ran a surplus of just over 1 million pounds and paid tax of 238,000 pounds on it.
The news was actually revealed on the very day that JC made his announcement that he intended to fund a 500 billion pound of investment through tackling tax evasion!

But it's ok, Corbyn said he will "tackle it". which maybe isn't the same as dealing with it .

Great post mum Darnsarf

Some more?

Head of a pin again Smileless.

There's more

Pin heads only seem to concern you if they represent a different point of view GG.

fullfact.org/economy/have-conservatives-brought-70-billion-worth-tax-cuts/

fullfact.org/economy/does-treasury-lose-40-billion-each-year-to-super-rich-and-corporate-elite/